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Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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If you want to avoid giving information about whether you are an AI or human, you simply respond "No." Besides, the CAPTCHA's that are sufficiently hard to solve for computers are already hard for humans as well.

Question isn't "will you?" -- it's "can you?"

"Yes, but I don't want to."

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

#93

Can M wade through phone support menus and cancel Comcast subscriptions? I look forward to a darkly-humorous future in which we pit poorly-paid third-world citizens against each other in wars of call center attrition. Better, once we equip them with those sound-board UIs that play pre-recorded answers in native English-speaking voices (can't find the link), English can become a transmission protocol that few people d…

HN hosted an article recently about someone's project that cancel's Comcast for you.

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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post #73

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They weren't trained to read natural language, and then respond with some programmatic action filtered into natural language: Bot reads "What's the temperature like near me?" Person calls "$get user-local-temperature" API responds "{temperature:{f:77},{c:99}}" Human writes "It's 77 degrees outside!" Training set now contains that relationship between that question, that API call, that response, and that natural langu…

The translation of unrestricted human language into a restricted, "logical" language which could be understood mechanically, is another long-standing problem - going back as far as Liebniz - which is unlikely to be solved by a few gigabytes of chat logs.

Are you claiming that chat logs won't contribute at all? Or are you claiming that progress is irrelevant unless someone launches a 100% solution all at once?

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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post #45

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I thought Edison had mostly been dismissed as not even remotely as great an inventor as most people thought he was?

He was a businessman, who hired people to invent things. He was certainly useful, but it's always been surprising to me how much credit he got for inventing things.

Capitalism and Personal Branding at its finest.

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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post #93

Can M wade through phone support menus and cancel Comcast subscriptions? I look forward to a darkly-humorous future in which we pit poorly-paid third-world citizens against each other in wars of call center attrition. Better, once we equip them with those sound-board UIs that play pre-recorded answers in native English-speaking voices (can't find the link), English can become a transmission protocol that few people d…

HN hosted an article recently about someone's project that cancel's Comcast for you.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10320509

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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post #11

"I'm AI but humans help train me" The implication to me is that the chat is with a human, who is using an AI tool with the intention of training that tool. What better way to train a new service than to launch it, then answer all the weird, unexpected questions with humans? Gradually more of the questions get answered, the AI gets better trained, and the human-AI becomes increasing more AI. Further, as the AI gets be…

Yeah I feel like some responses are pulled up, and then "M" gets assisted to pick the best answer, in the case an answer is not generated someone types one out. I would call it "Assisted AI" if anything, whereby the AI is monitored for accuracy. It makes sense to me, eventually in theory it would not need as much assistance, and even if it still would need assistance, it would still be one of the more reliable AI systems yet to some degree.

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

#98
post #63

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But that's exactly the point: is it AI trained by people, or people aided by AI tools? It's not the same.

See http://www.wired.com/2015/08/how-facebook-m-works/

Yes, the article is explicit: "For more complicated tasks, such as making a driving test appointment at the DMV, the humans will do most of the heavy lifting. They’ll actually place a call to the DMV."

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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post #17

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Pretending you have a working technology when you don't has been a recent theme in the startup world.

Vaporware is neither new nor restricted to the startup world. There's actually a whole (sub)genre of music based on the concept!

Vaporwave?
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