The 'Or use the web app' link on the frontpage links to the list of desktop clients instead of the web app.
Thanks for pointing this out! Will fix.
Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip
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Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip
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Those types of fragmentation issues never went away, they just changed focus. Whether it is Slack vs. Hipchat vs. Zulip, or WhatsApp vs. iMessage vs. text vs. Hangouts... more options means more (and easier!) ways to contact friends, family, and coworkers, but also means that you have to memorize a "best way to reach me" chart for each individual person.
They were on their way out as some services were federating via XMPP. Then some stopped supporting it.
Sad as it may be, it's pretty clear at this point that XMPP won't be the communication protocol of the future. Everyone who ever seriously worked on it seem to have come out of the experience a broken man. Setting it up requires pretty deep knowledge and the promises of compatibility with most XMPP servers break down pretty fast unless you know which extensions to support.
All these problems are fixable but I don't see the tide ever actually changing direction and "hey suddenly XMPP is cool again, we should all use it".
One thing is for certain... humanity needs standard, open and widely-used protocols for communication. And there's a lot of ground to cover: Text, audio, video; single and multiuser; topical (IRC-like); social (invite-based/people I know); Synchronous (IM) and asynchronous (email/offline messaging)...
XMPP tried to do a lot of that. Maybe it tried to do too much. Maybe you just can't do all that in one protocol. I don't know, I just hope we'll get there soon - if nothing else, I'm tired of maintaining those "best way to reach me" charts JoshM33k is talking about.
Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, that's the title of the thread, you can assume I read that far at least ;) I'll give you I wasn't very clear. I'm super excited Zulip is going open source. And it's both the proliferation of protocols and the closed-sourceness(?) of the products that is problematic. Open source has two coupled benefits: 1. If the product becomes popular, it's easy to integrate with it, extend it, modify it, etc rather than just…
We have both already :) https://github.com/zulip/zulip/blob/master/bots/jabber_mirro... https://github.com/zulip/zulip/blob/master/bots/irc-mirror.p... In addition to Zephyr mirroring, which we've had since 2012.
Hurray \o/ Congrats on the release!
Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip
#94No linux client? That's a deal breaker for us right there... Pity, looks interesting otherwise.
There is a web client for it.
Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip
#95Slack, Zulip, this feels like we are back in 1999, when the internet was divided by ICQ, AOL Instant Messanger, Windows Live Messanger, and Yahoo Messanger. (Instant/Live was a plus back then). And the only innovation over IRC was a backlog and buddy list. I wonder when the Trillian of Slack+Zulip will come out. I hope Trillian (which still exists) is already working on it.
Those types of fragmentation issues never went away, they just changed focus. Whether it is Slack vs. Hipchat vs. Zulip, or WhatsApp vs. iMessage vs. text vs. Hangouts... more options means more (and easier!) ways to contact friends, family, and coworkers, but also means that you have to memorize a "best way to reach me" chart for each individual person.
Every week I have to use a Cisco jabber client, Hipchat, Slack, and Hangouts within the same company.
I know it's got less of a "cool" factor because it wasn't invented last week, but I soooo wish everyone would just use IRC. Use irccloud if you want some nice apps and picture embedding.
Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
They were on their way out as some services were federating via XMPP. Then some stopped supporting it.
Sad as it may be, it's pretty clear at this point that XMPP won't be the communication protocol of the future. Everyone who ever seriously worked on it seem to have come out of the experience a broken man. Setting it up requires pretty deep knowledge and the promises of compatibility with most XMPP servers break down pretty fast unless you know which extensions to support. All these problems are fixable but I don't s…
Who might be the right entity to take on creating a replacement for XMPP?
Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those types of fragmentation issues never went away, they just changed focus. Whether it is Slack vs. Hipchat vs. Zulip, or WhatsApp vs. iMessage vs. text vs. Hangouts... more options means more (and easier!) ways to contact friends, family, and coworkers, but also means that you have to memorize a "best way to reach me" chart for each individual person.
They were on their way out as some services were federating via XMPP. Then some stopped supporting it.
I did some research on XMPP interop and its demise (ignore the title) - https://sameroom.io/blog/announcing-support-for-google-hango...
Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip
#98No linux client? That's a deal breaker for us right there... Pity, looks interesting otherwise.
There is a Linux client! You can build it from source right now, and prebuilt binaries will be available in a PPA soon.
Prebuilt binaries aren't available quite yet because it's a lot easier to submit to a PPA once you're already open source :)
Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
They were on their way out as some services were federating via XMPP. Then some stopped supporting it.
Sad as it may be, it's pretty clear at this point that XMPP won't be the communication protocol of the future. Everyone who ever seriously worked on it seem to have come out of the experience a broken man. Setting it up requires pretty deep knowledge and the promises of compatibility with most XMPP servers break down pretty fast unless you know which extensions to support. All these problems are fixable but I don't s…
Yap. Agreed. XMPP looked good on paper, if you read just the mission statement. Thinking back, I tried to dive into it once and nope-d out of it quickly. I guess I just blocked that experience out of my mind for some reason.
Re: Dropbox has open-sourced Zulip
#100No linux client? That's a deal breaker for us right there... Pity, looks interesting otherwise.
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