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Re: Refugees Welcome

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Whether we should be is up for debate, but no, I'm pretty sure we're not.

Who says we're not?

The legal codes we're subject to, whether we are or we aren't.

I believe in most locales people are responsible for their own children, but - and correct me if I'm wrong, happy to learn something - I don't think there's anything in there that makes anyone responsible for random strangers on the other side of the planet.

Again, this doesn't have anything to do with whether we should be responsible for random strangers on the other side of the planet.

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#92
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It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

> European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all. I'll pass over the casual xenophobia implicit in your post (just for you info, Lebanon has over 1 million Syrian refugees for a population of ~4.5 million, Jordan has ~600,000 refugees for a population of ~8 million), I just want to mention how the whole Middle East fuck-up is the result of…

> the whole Middle East fuck-up is the result of the post-WW1 partitions

Blaming everything on the Sykes-Picot agreement removes a lot of agency from the inhabitants of the Middle East, especially political movements like the rise of Baathism and pan-arabism. /r/BadHistory had a good post on this recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/3j75b8/sykespic...

Re: Refugees Welcome

#93
post #62
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It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

We (Europeans) never bothered about cultural and religious closeness when we were occupying, colonizing and sucking goods from them, did we?

You know, at least Europeans are consistent in their moral grandstanding.

For sure mass immigration from illiberal non-Western societies will cause damage to the cultural fabric of Europe and cause strain on the welfare systems, but at least you consistently apply your moral standards to yourself and not just America and Israel when it's convenient. That is admirable.

Re: Refugees Welcome

#94
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post #45

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You can be responsible, and it doesn't has to be in the way that allows 'refugees' into your country. People in each country ought to have a choice in that.

True - there's still ways of helping without that. But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country? Why are people so scared of this? (genuine question =)) It seems to me the only countries whom are scared are the ones who think they're the best, greatest and fear loosing that status. This sounds like idk...country ego? lol.

How many destitute people do you house in your own home? Why only that number and not more? If zero, why is that? What percentage of your income are you donating to support refugees? Why is that percentage not higher?

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#95
post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

Implying that they'd fit right in because they're brown and Muslim is some seriously ignorant shit. Remember all the ethnic tensions in Europe, in the Balkans? And religious tensions, even between different sects of Christianity? To imply that doesn't exist in other cultures is to attribute complexities to your own race and deny that they exist elsewhere. Ignorant.

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#96
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Most Syrians supported Assad. Also, many of the militant revolutionaries were imported from other countries and supported/trained by foreign powers including the gulf states. Now we have ISIS which is simply an extension of that program that has maybe gotten a bit out of control. Foreign meddling caused this problem. Very simply.

> Most Syrians supported Assad. That's interesting. When exactly and according to what survey did most Syrians support Assad? Do they still support him today or if not, when did they stop?

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Re: Refugees Welcome

#97
post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

>>> It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer!

Some of the "alternative" countries you mention are direct supporters of the forces who have caused or are themselves involved in wars in countries from where refugees come. And despite "same" culture, "same" religion and proximity, I assume, these countries don't want to import social and financial problems.

>>> It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all.

As for EU countries not being responsible: UK, France and Germany (and other EU and non-EU NATO member countries in their tow) are very well directly involved and responsible. Political destabilization, intelligence services involvement, boots on the ground, flying aeroplanes and drones (and dropping bombs) over their heads, supporting local "rebel" forces. In Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen - they are all over the place. So, it's "natural" that the "weapons of mass immigration" are heading towards EU.

>>> Luckily there are some leaders out there that are not afraid of this stupid political correctness and they build fences on their borders because they know what this might lead to.

No, European "leaders" are not stupid for building fences. OK, they are... because by building fences they are dealing with the effect and not solving the cause. They are stupid for making themselves marionettes to the Oligarchy. For letting their countries become vassal states. Especially funny, all ex Warsaw-bloc countries, in pursuit of "freedom", have flocked in the arms of another tyrant (instead of trying being truly independent). Last but not least, they are stupid for not building good trans Atlantic ships and sending the refugees to the Oligarchy.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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I would like to see the US step up its process to accept refugees. Currently it takes 18 to 24 months for refuges to be able to get on a plane the US. The US has agreed to accept up to 70k refugees yet at this rate it will take for ever while Germany has hundreds of new refuges per day. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/us-accept-thous...

We have our own continent to deal with. We already have hundreds of thousands of refugees coming to the US from central/south America every year. How many refugees are we supposed to accept anyway?

As many as we can?

Re: Refugees Welcome

#99
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You don't think they're Humans?

That we are responsible for them. They are responsible for themselves, they understand that, that's why they go to the most generous countries.

I take it you've spoken to loads of refuges then and that's exactly what they said then? "Our childrens lives are at risk, but we fancy risking them more to come to a generous country".

I think you misunderstood my point and took it too literally: who cares who's responsible. We can still help people unconditionally without expecting anything in return but within reason.

"Hey man, you're going through a really hard time at the moment. It's not my fault what has happened to you and it's not your fault this has happened to you either. But I would be happy to help you regardless."

Now, wouldn't that be an amazing place to be? Well done Germany, Iceland and the others.

--- Slightly off topic There's videos of locals all going up and greeting refuges and offering toys, food, donations. I can't imagine how amazing it must feel after years of hardship and death on your door to see happy faces greeting you with open arms. That right there would give me hope and a strong feeling of wanting to do everything possibly to repay the people who helped me in my desperate time of need.

P.s I wasn't a refugee, but I did grow up in refuges as a child and I met and spoke to refugees. This was going back 18 years ago now, much has changed but I met the most incredible and inspirational people there.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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post #83
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It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

Actually Europe is very much responsible, only a small percentage flees to our countries and the reason is clear: People at least think that life in Europe is much better and in some cases they are correct. Please learn about the situation and not just judge it.

Life in Europe is better for now. Flood European countries with millions of "refugees" and it won't be for long.

On the other hand, I sometimes say "If immigration is so great, why don't you take a foreign lodger into your house?" At least these "Refugees welcome" people are putting their flats where their mouths are.

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