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Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by blackbeard »

ikeboy wrote: post #86

Just changed two rules in Windows Firewall to blocked and it appears to no longer send anything. https://i.imgur.com/a5yu5vb.png Wondering if I should go through all the Windows stuff there and turn them off. Edit: just did (except for Edge and obvious internet related stuff). Is there a way to change Firewall rules with a registry tweak? That would be the ideal way to distribute this.

Use Powershell: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj554843%28v=wps...

You can get the rules and enable/disable them easily.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by yrro »

ultramancool wrote: post #75
MichaelGG wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except apps like this should probably not be using the OS CA store, and instead just pin their own CA cert. Doesn't seem to be the case here but in general I think pinning is getting more adoption, isn't it?

Not really, heck, on Android and iOS around 40% of banking apps don't even check the certificate at all. Most people, even most developers seem to be pretty clueless with this stuff.

> on Android and iOS around 40% of banking apps don't even check the certificate at all.

Please name and shame, this sounds pretty surprising!

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by anigbrowl »

mackal wrote: post #65
mucker wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How, pray tell, does free change the problem except in fantasies? There is plenty of "free" software that contains the same problem.

Free as in freedom, not beer. You can look at the code of the free software, therefore tell if it's phoning home or not. More importantly, changing it.

How many people have the time or inclination to validate everything that way?

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by mikegioia »

justThis1Post wrote: post #36

As time goes by, computer software begins to feel more and more hostile to the user. When I installed Windows 10, all the privacy settings made me feel like I was wrangling a beast rather than setting up something that would help me. I don't know if there's any solution or if privacy is just a remnant of the past. Is Linux any better? And is there any way to own a smartphone which is built not to leak my information,…

    I don't know if there's any solution or if privacy is
    just a remnant of the past.
This always irritates me when I see it (not specific to you). It's not a remnant of the past and there is of course a solution! The solution is trading some of the conveniences you think you need. The solution is for once trying something other than what you're used to.

The reason why you (and everyone else who thinks this way) feel there's no solution is because in your world, giving up a smart-phone or even using a non-Windows/Google/Apple device is a non-starter.

There are new phones coming out like Ubuntu's and Mozilla's that, while not perfect, absolutely are better alternatives. If you keep digging there are projects like Neo900 that respect privacy in totality. You could use a feature phone, or an old n900, or any bevy of alternatives but the price they come with is convenience :)

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by nivla »

kaybe wrote: post #72
narrator wrote: post #28

I wonder what foreign governments such as China and Russia are going to do about this. How are they going to secure their networks from surveillance?

Are they really running Windows? I wouldn't, if I was them.

More or less likely yes but so does the U.S. Microsoft also opens up the sources to them so that alleviates some of their concerns.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by RexRollman »

chatmasta wrote: post #34

This also happens on iOS with spotlight. As far as I can tell there's no way to turn it off. Source: MITM your iOS traffic. Sidenote -- a possibly unforeseen side effect of end to end encryption everywhere is that it makes it far more difficult to man in the middle your traffic and hold companies accountable for their privacy policies.

iOS does tell you have to turn it off but the user has to notice a small notice on the Spotlight control panel. Same with OS X. I believe this kind is unethical as Apple knows that most people won't change the default settings.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by ultramancool »

zekevermillion wrote: post #97

If you opt into the Windows ecosystem, there's no point in complaining about leaking private info. If you care about this, you should choose to run an OS that you control.

Not all of us are all-in on the ecosystem. Personally, I just want to play some games and occasionally do some reverse engineering. Just for that, which was perfectly possible in the past, I should be forced to give up private info?

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by skeletonjelly »

prawn wrote: post #85
bitmapbrother wrote: post #76

Here's a list of servers Windows 10 contacts on startup. There are probably more, but these are the ones that showed up. BN1WNS2011508.wns.windows.com OneSettings-bn2.metron.live.com.nsatc.net a978.i6g1.akamai.net americas2.notify.windows.com.akadns.net any.edge.bing.com bingads.microsoft.com bl3302.storage.live.com bl3302geo.storage.dkyprod.akadns.net client.wns.windows.com corp.sts.microsoft.com diagnostics.support…

It's really disturbing how many would be indistinguishable (to almost everyone) from malware servers. Lots of .net domains and entities I've never heard of.

True. They all look like CDNs though
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