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Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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You can do things like that - one example is averaging weights between related models - but not with Anthropic's models, because outsiders don't have access to the weights.

Weights are just data a server, so we don't know outsiders have access (either via breakin or arrangement).

Yes, obviously. That's not the point.

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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"Information wants to be free" Anthropic profited from training its models on all kinds of copyrighted information, live by the sword, die by the sword... Their model weights, training data, training methods, etc are all going to leak to China over time. Nobody on a site named _Hacker_ news should be all that upset about this.

Don't forget insider threat vector, too.

I deliberately didn't mention any threat vector.

I would assume China is working on liberating Anthropic weights through the battle-tested strategy of finding someone in a privileged position and getting them laid, etc.

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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> If anything these models should be compelled to be public since they have been trained off public data I'm starting to come around to this idea TBH. For a while my position was: "these companies have invested billions into training these models, therefore they should be able to control them and profit off them" but looking deeper at where they got their training data, my view is starting to shift. IMHO I feel like…

labs invest multiple billion dollars a year each in private data, and that number is growing. internet training data is not where frontier capabilities come from, this view is outdated

Define "come from". Could they have gotten those frontier capabilities, or any capabilities, without internet training data? It seems to me that without the private data, you might get a slightly less competitive model, but without the CommonCrawl-style data piles used in "pretraining", you get no model at all.

Even accepting the copying-as-theft framing, if I go to a village, steal some vegetables from everyone's gardens and ham from their sheds, and then add some prohibitively expensive spices I bought myself to make soup, do I get to claim it as mine and punish the villagers for trying to take it?

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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For all the complaints about Anthropic many of you still give them your money! Stop using it. I don't care if they claim they are the best model. I stopped paying OpenAI and Anthropic 2 years ago once they started going for regulatory capture! They started whining once Llama3 was released and was good! Before the chinese models got strong.

Pretty much objectively puts you/your company in disadvantage if you’re not using frontier models.

The bottom line has not shown that to be the case.

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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Maybe Fable is not as capable as thought? On the one hand they talk it up as world ending and on the other hand they can't manage bot accounts on their own service. I want to hear how this can be rationalised. From the article "every layer of control frontier US AI companies have added (geoblocking, phone verification, credit card requirements, and now live biometric KYC checks) has produced a corresponding layer of…

No system is foolproof. They'd have to be willing to throw out some % of good customers along with the bots. Amazon can do that because they have a monopoly already. Anthropic can't risk it when they're trying to grab market share.

One would believe a model scoring this high on SWEBench could maximize F1 score for a precision recall problem easily. What's the missing part?

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

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The hypocrisy of Anthropic complaining about "illicitly extracting its Claude AI model capabilities" and supporting the White House's accusation of China "stealing U.S. AI labs' intellectual property on an industrial scale" is hilarious. Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, Microsoft, et al trained their models by ignoring the rights of copyright holders when harvesting whatever content they could. Now one of them is crying fo…

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