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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years…

> Apple: If you document the hardware enough for the Asahi team to deliver a polished Linux experiene, I'll buy one this year!

They probably can't do that because of potential patent issues that might surface.

Lawyers say no.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Worse than that, they hold their value, so buying a used M1 mini is still a few hundred bucks, and saving $200-300 by purchasing a 5 generation older mini seems like a bad deal in comparison.

Someone came to be excited they got a "deal" on the newest Intel Mac Mini for hosting OpenClaw. 8GB model for $300. I kind of regret bursting their bubble by telling them you can walk over to Costco (nearest one at time of discussion was walking distance) and pay $550 for one with an M4 and 16GB of RAM.

That’s just somebody not doing their research and overpaying unfortunately

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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There are so few used Mac Mini around, those are all gone and what is left is to buy new.

Just like with GPUs and Bitcoin they'll be a flood of old hardware on the market eventually.

Depends on what you mean by “eventually”

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I don’t really get why people are smack talking this, are there other laptops available that can do better?

Wrong question. If you sell a 6k€ machine "for AI", then you are judged on your own merits. Replies like "but, but other laptops" are very weak attempts at deflection.

at 6k you can get 128 gb RAM so you can use bigger models

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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> Aren't the OpenClaw enjoyers buying Mac Minis because it's the cheapest thing which runs macOS That's likely only part of the reason. Mac Mini is now "cheap" because everyone exploded in price. RAM and SSD etc have all gone up massively. Not the mention Mac mini is easy out of the box experience.

It's not cheap, though. Two weeks ago I bought a computer with a similar form factor (GMKtec G10). Worse CPU and GPU but same 16GB memory and a larger SSD for 40% the price of a base mac mini ($239 vs $599). It came with Windows preinstalled, but I immediately wiped that to install linux. Even a used (M-series) mac mini is substantially more expensive. It will cost me about an extra penny per day in electricity costs…

That’s a big “if” at the end. You can always make a computer cheaper “if” you strip down what you need to do with it.

The Mac mini strangely is and has been a very good deal for years now.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years…

> Apple: If you document the hardware enough for the Asahi team to deliver a polished Linux experiene, I'll buy one this year! They probably can't do that because of potential patent issues that might surface. Lawyers say no.

That’s highly unlikely, releasing the product counts as a public disclosure which would start the clock on filing.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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My 32gb m1 max was probably the best purchase I've made. Still plenty of headroom in performance left in this beast. Wonder what reason they'll use to end software support in the future. Bet it'll be some security hardware they make up for the sake of forcing upgrades.

Shame the keycaps wear so poorly. Just a cosmetic issue, but on a £3k machine that’s otherwise amazing, it’s annoying to have keycaps that look rather dirty/greasy as they wear and develop shiny patches. (Can at least replace them via the self-service repair store. Fiddly job but worth it)

I use my machine daily for 5 years and the keyboard looks new, what are you doing to it? ;-)

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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As others have said, keep the battery in the 80%-30% range. Use the `batt` CLI tool to hard limit your max charge to 80%. Sadly, if you're already down to I type this from an M3 Max 2023 MBP that still has 98% battery health. But admittedly it's only gone through 102 charge cycles in ~2 years. (use `pmset -g rawbatt` to get cycle count or `system_profiler SPPowerDataType | grep -A3 'Health'` to get health and cycles)

> I type this from an M3 Max 2023 MBP that still has 98% battery health. That's amazing. I have an early 2023 M2 Max MBP that mostly charges in desktop mode, which limits to 80%. I just looked in battery health and it says 82%. Damn! :( For giggles, earlier today I asked Apple how much they'd give me for this machine if I traded it in on a brand new $5K M5 Max equivalent. $825. Ouch. I think I will keep it for a few…

I'm at 100% after 128 cycles. You should go to an Apple Store.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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A £3000 laptop doesn't come with a fucking charger. It's £99 extra for the one that came with the m4's. thanks a lot Apple, the enshitification is real!

This isn't enshitification. Most people have plenty of chargers. Its a good thing you can opt in/out.

This. I think I have upwards of 20 chargers I don't use that came with various laptops and other devices. And I don't use any of the OEM chargers, they are too bulky. Pure waste.
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