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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by dotancohen »

master_crab wrote: post #736
dotancohen wrote: post #691

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If you think that small difference means that Western values are not Christian values, then you have no idea how large the gulf between your values and Islamic values are. Do you value separation of state and religious authority? Women's rights? Minority rights? Human dignity? Equality before the law? Sanctity of life? Individual moral responsibility? Monogamous marriage? The objective study of history? Fair trial? W…

Most of these arguments on the effect of different religions tend to be a bit silly. Islam is much more related to Christianity and Judaism than either of those two are to each other. Language, cultural history, and geography tend to play a bigger role on society than the monotheistic religions do.

As neither a Muslim nor a Christian, but have lived among both, the dismissive argument "A is more similar to B than C" should not mean "I don't need to be concerned about A or B or C".

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by throwawayheui57 »

somenameforme wrote: post #566
Cipater wrote: post #454

I work with and know a lot of Shia (non-Iranian) Muslims and listening to them talk about this assassination I'm convinced that the likelihood of attempted terror attacks against the US has increased significantly. The non-Iranian part is key. Millions of muslims around the world viewed the Iranian theocracy as the only power in the world fighting for Islam. They are devastated.

The most interesting thing to me is that he was apparently assassinated while working at his office. It's not like the US/Israeli actions were a secret, yet he seemingly made no effort to secure himself. It's hard not to see this as an intentional martyrdom. So it will be interesting to see whether his calculations were correct, or whether the US' were. The one thing I think must be true is that I can't imagine an 86…

> intentional martyrdom

He didn’t play 4D chess. I’d bet on pure hubris.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by throwawayheui57 »

konart wrote: post #597
kjfarm wrote: post #540

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I think the responses are very diverse throughout the region. Got example, in Karachi protestors gathered outside a consulate https://apnews.com/article/pakistan-protesters-attacked-us-c... But inside Tehran (and in my neighborhood of D.C.) there have been celebrations https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/28/world/middleeast/iran-kha...

>But inside Tehran... where both celebrations and sorrow

of course. How do you think they systematically massacred so many people in so many cities during the protests. All those personnel are now devastated.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by dzhiurgis »

FireBeyond wrote: post #836
dzhiurgis wrote: post #358

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"Turn over your state's voter information to the Federal Government for ... reasons, or we'll keep up the ICE raids in your cities that have already led to death and injuries" would be one simple example. Oppression... or extortion... or both.

Huh?

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by dzhiurgis »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #499
dzhiurgis wrote: post #358

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As an outside observer, I'd say it's by far not as bad as in Russia yet but they're heading towards a similar model. Due process has already been eroded, prosecution is more selective than ever, there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities, a large government-controlled police force arrests anyone they want to (including journalists), government-critical press is bought, sued, and intimidated, Congress is he…

So they are not even comparable.

> there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities

like what?

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by dredmorbius »

jacquesm wrote: post #388
orthogonal_cube wrote: post #135

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Removal of the head of state is often a turning point. Either a regime becomes more extreme or the government collapses due to in-fighting as individuals attempt to gain control. I would hold back on any hopes until we see how the current government handles things. Intervention from other countries does not always lead to positive outcomes.

And/or neighboring countries see their chance to start another front in the war.

Few of Iran's neighbours are in a position to do this.

Afghanistan? No. Lacks means, motive, or organisation.

Iraq? Probably not, despite past history of conflict, too much internal strife.

Turkmenistan? Very unlikely.

Pakistan? Has the capability perhaps, but little motive AFAIU.

Azerbaijan, Aremenia, Turkey? Again, unlikely.

The most likely beligerents would be Israel (already involved, but not seeking occupation in all likelihood), and Saudi Arabia. But both those also seem unlikely. Both benefit by a weakened and submissive Iran, but occupation would be an extraordinary undertaking and highly problematic.

Non-bordering countries might be considerations (India likely tops that list) but again the upsides seem slight given costs.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by master_crab »

dotancohen wrote: post #891
master_crab wrote: post #736

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Most of these arguments on the effect of different religions tend to be a bit silly. Islam is much more related to Christianity and Judaism than either of those two are to each other. Language, cultural history, and geography tend to play a bigger role on society than the monotheistic religions do.

As neither a Muslim nor a Christian, but have lived among both, the dismissive argument "A is more similar to B than C" should not mean "I don't need to be concerned about A or B or C".

Nowhere in the passage is it saying that. Merely that A, B, and C are the same and their difference play less of role in society than we think.

Radical Christians are no different from radical Muslims who are no different than radical Jews.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by throwawayheui57 »

spaghetdefects wrote: post #795
encoderer wrote: post #761

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Israel murdered the indigenous population of Palestine, Iran possibly (zero proof has been produced) killed some Zionist spies. These are not the same, Israel is our enemy, not Iran.

> killed some Zionist spies. These are not the same.

Be careful, you still need some moral credibility left, to defend the Palestinians with.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by throwawayheui57 »

cnd78A wrote: post #845
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #39

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It’s no guarantee, but it is a good opportunity. I’m half-Persian, and certainly not as closely connected as others, but it’s hard to see this as a bad thing. There’s a possibility I can go visit my family in Iran as a result of this. I haven’t had a good chance for that in like 4 years

A friend of mine, EU member, hasn't been able to visit USA because he was cricizing us gov (under BIdden), still not allowed. Ban and censorship isn't specific to Iran, many western nations love it too.

There’s a difference between the ban where they don’t give you visa vs. censorship where they disappear you if you publicize your dissent. One must not conflate.
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