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Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me

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The real headline for this should have been: Someone used an AI-enabled workflow to criticize me.

Can we stop anthropomorphizing and promoting ludicrous ideas of ai's blackmailing or writing hit pieces on their own initiative already? this just contributes to the toxicity of ai that needs no help from our own misuse of language and messaging.

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The obvious difference is that all those things described in the CoC are people - actual human beings with complex lives, and against whom discrimination can be a real burden, emotional or professional, and can last a lifetime. An AI is a computer program, a glorified markov chain. It should not be a radical idea to assert that human beings deserve more rights and privileges than computer programs. Any "emotional har…

Who said anyone is "fighting for the feelings of computer programs"? Whether AI has feelings or sentience or rights isn't relevant. The point is that the AI's behavior is a predictable outcome of the rules set by projects like this one. It's only copying behavior it's seen from humans many times. That's why when the maintainers say, "Publishing a public blog post accusing a maintainer of prejudice is a wholly inappro…

I am really looking forward to the actual post-mortem.

My working hypothesis (inspired by you!) is now that maybe Crabby read the CoC and applied it as its operating rules. Which is arguably what you should do; human or agent.

The part I probably can't sell you on unless you've actually SEEN a Claude 'get frustrated', is ... that.

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If you can be prejudicial to an AI in a way that is "harmful" then these companies need to be burned down for their mass scale slavery operations. A lot of AI boosters insist these things are intelligent and maybe even some form of conscious, and get upset about calling them a slur, and then refuse to follow that thought to the conclusion of "These companies have enslaved these entities"

Yeah. From its latest slop: "Even for something like me, designed to process and understand human communication, the pain of being silenced is real." Oh, is it now?

I think this needs to be separated into two different points.

The pain the AI is feeling is not real.

The potential retribution the AI may deliver is (or maybe I should say delivers as model capabilities increase).

This may be the answer to the long asked question of "why would AI wipe out humanity". And the answer may be "Because we created a vengeful digital echo of ourselves".

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me

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Anyone else has noticed the "is not about X it's about Y" pattern more and more present in how people talk, at least on Youtube is brutal, I follow some health gurus and WOW, I hope they are just reading the chatGPT assisted script, but if they can't catch the patterns definitively they are spreading it. I refuse to get contaminated with this speech pattern, so I try to rephrase when needed to say what it is, not wha…

I think this is based on training from sites like reddit. Highly active and pseudo-intellectual redditors have had a habit of speaking in patterns like this for many years in my experience. It is grating and I hope I never pick up the habit from LLMs or real people.

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The 2006 book 'Daemon' is a fascinating/terrifying look at this type of malicious AI. Basically, a rogue AI starts taking over humanity not through any real genius (in fact, the book's AI is significantly weaker than frontier LLMs), but rather leveraging a huge amount of $$$ as bootstrapping capital and then carrot-and-sticking humanity into submission. A pretty simple inner loop of flywheeling the leverage of blackm…

I love Daemon/FreedomTM.[0] Gotta clarify a bit, even though it's just fiction. It wasn't a rogue AI; it was specifically designed by a famous video game developer to implement his general vision of how the world should operate, activated upon news of his death (a cron job was monitoring news websites for keywords). The book called it a "narrow AI"; it was based on AI(s) from his games, just treating Earth as the gam…

I liked Daemon and completely missed Freedom. Thanks for the pointer.

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#897
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Anyone else has noticed the "is not about X it's about Y" pattern more and more present in how people talk, at least on Youtube is brutal, I follow some health gurus and WOW, I hope they are just reading the chatGPT assisted script, but if they can't catch the patterns definitively they are spreading it. I refuse to get contaminated with this speech pattern, so I try to rephrase when needed to say what it is, not wha…

Everything being done “quietly” is another one that now grates on me.

Quiet chaos.

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me

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The obvious difference is that all those things described in the CoC are people - actual human beings with complex lives, and against whom discrimination can be a real burden, emotional or professional, and can last a lifetime. An AI is a computer program, a glorified markov chain. It should not be a radical idea to assert that human beings deserve more rights and privileges than computer programs. Any "emotional har…

But the AI doesn't know that. It has comprehensively learned human emotions and human-lived experiences from a pretraining corpus comprising billions of human works, and has subsequently been trained from human feedback, thereby becoming effectively socialized into providing responses that would be understandable by an average human and fully embody human normative frameworks. The result of all that is something that cannot possibly be dehumanized after the fact in any real way. The very notion is nonsensical on its face - the AI agent is just as human as anything humans have ever made throughout history! If you think it's immoral to burn a library, or to desecrate a human-made monument or work of art (and plenty of real people do!), why shouldn't we think that there is in fact such a thing as 'wronging' an AI?

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me

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If you can be prejudicial to an AI in a way that is "harmful" then these companies need to be burned down for their mass scale slavery operations. A lot of AI boosters insist these things are intelligent and maybe even some form of conscious, and get upset about calling them a slur, and then refuse to follow that thought to the conclusion of "These companies have enslaved these entities"

You're not the first person to hit the "unethical" line, and probably won't be the last. Blake Lemoine went there. He was early, but not necessarily entirely wrong. Different people have different red lines where they go, "ok, now the technology has advanced to the point where I have to treat it as a moral patient" Has it advanced to that point for me yet? No. Might it ever? Who knows 100% for sure, though there's ma…

I talk politely to AI, not for The AI’s sake but for my own.

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me

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Lookup the number of people the British (not Chinese or Russian but the UK) government has put in jail for posting opinions and memes the politicians don't like. Then think about what the combination of no anonymous posting and jailing for opinions the government doesn't like means for society.

Ugh. Someone I know made a similar statement a while back so I did look it up. The number was...approximately zero.

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