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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by apinksquash »

moorebob wrote: post #733
freejazz wrote: post #174

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Kiddie porn but only for the paying accounts!

Who's going to provide their payment details and then generate kiddie porn? This is a pretty pragmatic move by Musk. It's basically a honey trap, the likes of which authorities legitimately use to catch criminals.

Nah, Musk put out a public challenge in January asking anyone able to generate illegal / porno images to reply and tell him how they were able to bypass the safegaurds. Thousands of people tried and failed. I think the most people were able to get is stuff you'd see in an R-rated movie, and even then only for fictional requests as the latest versions of Grok refuse to undress or redress any real person into anything inappropriate.

Here's the mentioned thread: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2011527119097249996

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by ddtaylor »

code_for_monkey wrote: post #807

lord some of the people on this site need their hard drives searched.

I was once closer to s free speech absolutist, but this has always been where that discussion leads. The lines were clearer decades ago because someone who interacted with CSAM was closely involved and their harm was easier to see in totality. Over time the gap between people who caused that harm and those that think they are not hurting anyone has widened. With AI it caused many of those that thought it was acceptable to consume illegal content to put another layer between their victims and offload the moral baggage.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by Manuel_D »

ryandrake wrote: post #857
tw85 wrote: post #831

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It seems people have a rather short memory when it comes to twitter. When it was still run by Jack Dorsey, CP was abundant on twitter and there was little effort to tamp down on it. After Musk bought the platform, he and Dorsey had a public argument in which Dorsey denied the scale of the problem or that old twitter was aware of it and had shown indifference. But Musk actually did take tangible steps to clean it up a…

Didn't Reddit have the same problem until they got negative publicity and were basically forced to clean it up? What is with these big tech companies and CP?

Not exactly. Reddit always took down CSAM (how effectively I don't know, but I've been using the site consistently since 2011 and I've never come across it).

What Reddit did get a lot of negative public publicity for were subreddits focused on sharing non-explicit photos of minors, but with loads of sexually charged comments. The images themselves, nobody would really object to in isolation, but the discussions surrounding the images were all lewd. So not CSAM, but still creepy and something Reddit tightly decided it didn't want on the site.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by watwut »

pdpi wrote: post #802
watwut wrote: post #515

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Grok is publishing the CSAM photos for everyone to see. It is used as a tool for harassment and abuse, literally.

Sure, and the fact that they haven't voluntarily put guard rails up to stop that is absolutely vile. But my personal definition of "absolutely vile" isn't a valid legal standard. So, the issue is, like I said, how do you come up with a principled approach to making them do it that doesn't have a whole bunch of unintended consequences?

Courts are able or should be able to distinguish "tool that creates an item in the privacy of your home" and "tool that disseminates nonconsensual pornographic picture to wide public". Legal standards with that level or definition are fairly normal.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by almosthere »

neoromantique wrote: post #882
almosthere wrote: post #870

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At some point in the near future I see a day where our work laptops are nothing more than a full screen streaming video to a different computer that is housed in a country that has no data extradition treaties and is business friendly. Because that country and the businesses that support that are going to get RICH from such a service.

In some places that day is today, and has been for a while.

I agree but so far at all places I have ever worked, I have access to the local hardware, disk, etc... if that's an actuality it's extremely rare.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by thrance »

ReptileMan wrote: post #880
thrance wrote: post #730

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X will not provide these informations to the French Justice System. What then? Also insane that you believe the company that built a "commit crime" button bears no responsibility whatsoever in this debacle.

It is illegal in USA too, so the french authorities would absolutely have no problems getting assistance from the USA ones.

You really believe that? You think the Trump administration will force Musk's X to give the French State data about its users so CSAM abusers can be prosecuted there? This is delusional, to say the least. And let's not even touch on the subject of Trump and Musk both being actual pedophiles themselves.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by pjc50 »

Rygian wrote: post #852
learingsci wrote: post #846

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“Americans are just having trouble coping with the idea of a corporation being held liable for crimes.” I’m sorry but that’s absurd even amidst the cacophony of absurdity that comprises public discourse these days.

I'll bite. How was TikTok held liable for the crimes it was accused of?

Was it ever actually accused of crimes? Was it raided? Was there a list of charges?

It always seemed to me that TikTok was doing the same things that US based social networks were doing, and the only problem various parties could agree on with this was that it was foreign-owned.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by thrance »

master-lincoln wrote: post #865
thrance wrote: post #850

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Generated by a stranger, then posted online on X for the whole world to see. Are you really OK with that, even if the subject was your 10 years old daughter?

We have privacy laws forbidding anyone to share most pictures of people without their consent independent of what they are wearing on that picture. This is not new. That stranger should be investigated. I don't see why it needs to be CSAM for us to be upset about it.

Yes, and these laws are getting blatantly broken, while neither X nor the US Government are willing to do anything about it. Which is why French authorities have decided to take the matter in their own hands.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by hearsathought »

patrick451 wrote: post #779

Until the EU gets their act together on free speech, it's high time the united states hits them with aggressive economic sanctions.

Europe/EU should have whatever free speech they want. But we should annex all european controlled territory in the western hemisphere. The amount of territory that european empires still control in this hemisphere is alarming and frankly embarrassing. From greenland to "french" guyana to the falklands, it should all be seized.
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