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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by nutjob2 »

Ray20 wrote: post #882
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #82

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They should have said "enough are ok" instead of "everyone is ok". Unfortunately, there are still enough people who are fine with the Trump / Miller / Noem / Bovino approach to immigration enforcement, or they're not impacted personally enough to make them speak or act. I hope the cartoon villain responses coming from the administration when they're challenged on any of this will get more people to stand up against i…

> I hope the cartoon villain responses coming from the administration when they're challenged on any of this will get more people to stand up against it all. I don't think we should expect people to stand up against all of this. Even if most of them don't like it, let's be honest, it's not a dealbreaker for them. Especially if the next election other party puts forward some deliberately hypocritical, racist, out-of-t…

This is standard right wing hate-filled drivel, like that peppered throughout your comment history.

Your ilk really are hoping that Trump's authoritarian takeover of the US succeeds, through provocation, apathy or by whatever means, because you're driven only by the pursuit of power to turn your hate into violence against your perceived enemies.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #828
lux-lux-lux wrote: post #452

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We had nationwide riots for months back in 2020 over a police officer murdering a suspect, and that resulted in approximately zero actual political change. During the recent shutdown over the budget, we had one of the largest protests in the country’s history and massive shifts towards the opposition in elections followed by them immediately folding in exchange for essentially nothing. The political class is very wel…

The politicians on the right are not well insulated -- they are very responsive to what their constituents' popular will is, to a fault. The left still hasn't figured out what the hell they're going to do next. Probably just continue the "we aren't Trump!" chanting and hope that's enough to win elections. Meanwhile their own constituents are just as frustrated with status quo as the right was.

> The left still hasn't figured out what the hell they're going to do next.

They're gonna keep taking money from their donors and attempt to focus on anything that doesn't hurt their donors.

Much like the Republicans were before Trump.

You guys really need to do something about Citizens United.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by luxuryballs »

plorg wrote: post #872
luxuryballs wrote: post #848

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the government uses force for everything it does, it doesn’t need to resort to violence if you comply, (and yes it feels gross to type that) I hate to appear to defend something I hate but it’s because I understand the nature of it not because I approve of it: the point still remains that the people who facilitated the illegal entry knew without a doubt that this was going to happen afterwards, however far you want t…

Everything you write here assumes that the world is far more rigid and full of inevitability than can be justified.

it only assumes that the government is aware of their own laws and has half a brain to realize what that means, what I wrote is being proved true right now

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by unethical_ban »

mlrtime wrote: post #879
unethical_ban wrote: post #580

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In Minneapolis and other cities, you do have protests, you have the people following ICE, and it's a valid discussion to have that without the protests and the "mostly peaceful" resistance from Minnesotans is helping the nation see what criminals ICE people are, and what an awful thing they're doing to the country. Mass resistance movements tend to come at unpredictable moments. The killing or particularly well docum…

>The citizens of Minneapolis could probably take out a hundred ICE agents a day, but now we're in a civil war because the next steps are insurrection act, That is not a civil war.

You cut off half the sentence.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by tempodox »

lbrito wrote: post #780
gehwartzen wrote: post #510

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Some guy on X recently commented on how “dystopian” Flock’s nationwide surveillance is. Response by Garry Tan (CEO of YC)[1] “You're thinking Chinese surveillance US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims” [1] https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

Amazing. I have a hard time believing that comment isn't sarcastic, its just too perfect. Its hard to tell these days If its not, it sounds like the output of an LLM if prompted "You are a toddler. Write the most naive and illogical ideological propaganda possible. Offer no rational justification for your thoughts"

1. By now, reality is indistinguishable from satire.

2. If you thought VC mercenaries have any scruples, you were in error.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by Ray20 »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #890
Ray20 wrote: post #882

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> I hope the cartoon villain responses coming from the administration when they're challenged on any of this will get more people to stand up against it all. I don't think we should expect people to stand up against all of this. Even if most of them don't like it, let's be honest, it's not a dealbreaker for them. Especially if the next election other party puts forward some deliberately hypocritical, racist, out-of-t…

> hypocritical, racist, out-of-touch elitist like Kamala Harris. Gee I wonder what side of the political spectrum you align to... I like rule of law and due process. I like the Constitution and its balance of powers. I think that a good chunk of Americans also like these things. I believe the current administration is acting in extremely contrary ways to those things. So yes, I expect more Americans to stand up and s…

> I like rule of law and due process.

Many people like this. It's just that the choice, as far as I understand, is not between rule of law and authoritarian dictatorship.

> I like the Constitution and its balance of powers.

And here, frankly speaking, I'm unfamiliar with the American Constitution in these aspects. How does it work? Does it only protect citizens? Or residents too? Does it protect illegal aliens too? Does it protect everyone in the world? Or does it operate on territorial principles, and begin to protect any person who sets foot on American soil, but does not protect everyone else?

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by tstrimple »

rootusrootus wrote: post #828
lux-lux-lux wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had nationwide riots for months back in 2020 over a police officer murdering a suspect, and that resulted in approximately zero actual political change. During the recent shutdown over the budget, we had one of the largest protests in the country’s history and massive shifts towards the opposition in elections followed by them immediately folding in exchange for essentially nothing. The political class is very wel…

The politicians on the right are not well insulated -- they are very responsive to what their constituents' popular will is, to a fault. The left still hasn't figured out what the hell they're going to do next. Probably just continue the "we aren't Trump!" chanting and hope that's enough to win elections. Meanwhile their own constituents are just as frustrated with status quo as the right was.

> they are very responsive to what their constituents' popular will

I don't think this is the case so much as their constituents are very responsive to the messaging from their politicians and media agencies. You can watch almost in real-time as Trump supporters 180 on things that they "really care about" like the Epstein files. Like the "peace" president. Like on inflation being a major issue. You can watch Trump do something outrageous, and the conservatives online act confused for a bit until they get their messaging and then they are all repeating the exact same excuses online.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by insane_dreamer »

asa400 wrote: post #560
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

First, all of what you say is true. I'm going to try to add a little context as someone who is here on the ground, in the city in question. There is the imminent threat of mass death, and no one here is under any illusions about it. Every ICE agent is armed, and most have ready access to automatic weapons. These are not well-trained members of an elite organization with a storied, patriotic culture. ICE is a personal…

I think the difference with Europe is that many countries have been through a form of this authoritarianism before, Franco in Spain for example, and have fought wars over it. They never want to see it happen again. The US hasn't experienced war on its soil since the Civil War and has no idea what an authoritarian government is really like. So most Americans either 1) believe the propaganda of a "strong" America (just like the Germans who supported Hitler), 2) think it's not that bad so long as they still have their cheeseburgers (so to speak), 3) think that it's pretty bad but there's nothing they can really do or it's not worth risking life and limb over, or 4) are horrified by where we're going and willing to risk life and limb to stop it. The latter are a very small group, whereas in Europe they'd be much larger. Europe already has a history of nationwide worker strikes whereas that has never been done in the US (also much more difficult being such a large country, but even statewide general strikes haven't happened).

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by insane_dreamer »

rootusrootus wrote: post #816
jenadine wrote: post #790

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> but we still have some real elections coming up, Unless the president declares a permanent temporary state of emergency for whatever reason that would prevent such elections.

There is no precedent for this. The executive lacks the authority. It would require Congress to enact a law, and this is easier said than done. The states run elections, and while the feds have some input on how elections for federal office are conducted, it is quite limited. The vast majority of the population is relying on these protections holding.

> There is no precedent for this

We are well past the point where precedents matter.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by tstrimple »

goatlover wrote: post #511
xyzelement wrote: post #465

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I think it's something different than "Americans are passive" - rather, many of them/us perceive the context of what you're seeing very differently. I can share some of this perspective though I don't insist it's the only way to feel. 1. Americans on the ground are clearly feeling the effects of illegal immigration. As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the firs…

What people voted for 14 months ago and how ICE is being used are two different things. Polling shows a majority of Americans do not support how ICE is behaving and do not feel like it is making them safer. There are not plenty of people "violently rioting" at this point. Blowing whistles and yelling at federal agents isn't rioting. If you want to see what violent riots look like, see the Iranian footage.

> What people voted for 14 months ago and how ICE is being used are two different things.

I'm sure lots of people who voted for Hitler in Germany said the same thing in hindsight. Of course they did absolutely nothing to help stop Hitler after voting for him. They just want to pretend they had nothing to do with all the bad stuff despite the vote clearly being in support of "Bad Stuff". There's a meme floating around that goes something like:

2015: You're overreacting!

2016: You're overreacting!

2017: You're overreacting!

2018: You're overreacting!

2019: You're overreacting!

2020: You're overreacting!

2021: You're overreacting!

2022: You're overreacting!

2023: You're overreacting!

2024: You're overreacting!

2025: How could we possibly have known things would have gone this way?!

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