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Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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I am in favor of leaders fighting each other directly instead of sending millions of their citizens to die in their stead. I can only hope there's a plan for what happens in Venezuela now. But I'm certain that as long as it isn't a protracted war with millions dead, it is better for everyone than what's going on in Ukraine.

The problem with having leaders fight eachother is you get a situation like feudal europe where all your leaders are soldiers whose chief qualifications are skill in combat and extracting resources from their subjects to keep them combat ready.

You really want to stop unnecessary wars, make the leaders dig the latrines for any forces they want to send off to fight.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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I get slightly desperate realizing how people are lead to such naive discussions, even in a place with supposedly instructed, informed persons. Maduro may be a dictator, a murderer, whatever. This has absolutely no relation with the reasons for US invading, bombing and killing Venezuelans, or whichever country. For about a century, US has been doing it all over the world, not because they wanna live in a better, peac…

Sometimes bad people do the wrong thing for the wrong reasons, but there is some good aspect to it.

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#896

Maduro is a dictator and a murderer but I'm sure most people should now be uncomfortable with the way this was handled. Its undoubtedly the whole region will be better off without its hold and no there won't be regime remaining because Maduro doesn't have popular support it requires to do so. I'm not sure if it's the right thing to do or if it will have negative implications in the future. I didn't liked when Russia…

We used the same precursor to remove the Taliban in 2003. We used the same formula to remove saddam. All of it was always a bad idea. It destroyed the countries. Venezuela will be no different.

I dont like Maduro but I hate the aftermath of removing him violently.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#897

It's funny how many people already see this as a book that is opened and closed on the same day. That's not how these things work. This is like the first stone of an avalanche. It could stop here, or it could roll on for quite a while. It will take months or even years to know whether or not the outcome here was desirable or not and what the final tally is. Remember the 'Arab spring' and what came after.

No matter the outcome, we are not here giving judgement on the action. We are here questioning how is any of this legitimate? How did we elect a person who promised to keep america out of foreign affairs but is now doing the same thing his predecessors did.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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It's so hard to talk about this from the perspective of a venezuelan. Venezuela is under a dictatorshipt that has violated human rights massively, in Caracas (the capital) there's a prison know as El Helicoide, that's the headquarterts of the SEBIN (Servicio Bolivariano de Inteligencia), they are the secret police and the have arrested opposition members, reporters, human rights activists, and even family members of…

Where would you go to hear an honest account of what Venezuelans think?

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#900

It's funny how many people already see this as a book that is opened and closed on the same day. That's not how these things work. This is like the first stone of an avalanche. It could stop here, or it could roll on for quite a while. It will take months or even years to know whether or not the outcome here was desirable or not and what the final tally is. Remember the 'Arab spring' and what came after.

Also, based on threats Trump has made and that recent national security proposal or whatever, it seems the administration is intent on regime change in Colombia, Cuba, and Mexico. I bet Brazil is watching its back too. So it’s really going to be many avalanches as America revives colonialism. All to the cheer of half the country.

I doubt any of our allies like Canada or European countries can trust us again.

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