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Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

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Re: Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

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Post by boomlinde »

heavyset_go wrote: post #592
zmmmmm wrote: post #405

A lot of the criticism is based on the concept that it won't be technically watertight. But the key is that it doesn't have to be watertight to work. Social media is all about network effects. Once most kids are on there, everyone has to be on there. If you knock the percentage down far enough, you break the network effect to the point where those who don't want to don't feel pressured to. If that is all it does, it'…

> (b) a small fraction of kids branching off into fringe networks that are off the radar and will take them to very dark places very quickly. Congratulations, Australia, you just drove a ton of kids into the arms of psychopaths like 764. If you think Instagram and even 4chan are bad, that's nothing compared to the groups that sadly, are usually kids that were groomed themselves, who goad other kids into self-harm, vi…

My understanding is that 764 are mostly active on mainstream social media platforms, where most "fringe networks that are off the radar and will take them to very dark places very quickly" tend to operate, contrary to GP's concern.

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

LadyCailin wrote: post #860
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #844

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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YOUR government might be a bigger threat than anything YOU might find online, but this statement is just not generally true whatsoever. Given how broad this argument is, if anything, it’s an argument for improving government, not getting rid of it. Every freedom has two sides, the more positive freedoms you get, the less negative freedoms you get, and vice versa. There is no possibility of “infinite freedom”, it’s al…

Right now the government in question is Australian, and I personally wouldn't trust the government which would force citizens to compulsory wear of masks outdoors and alone in cars.

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Post by qwery »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #810
256_ wrote: post #803

A lot of the arguments I see in this thread are about whether modern mainstream social media are bad for young people. When the debate becomes about that, it's very easy to defend these types of Orwellian laws. It becomes "This is a problem, therefore the solution is good", without questioning the solution itself. I think this type of thinking is demonstrated, or perhaps exploited, very well by this article (I'm not…

Well, no one is suggesting 24/7 surveillance, we’re suggesting banning children from using social media, as it has demonstrably very harmful effects on their education and wellbeing. It’s not Orwellian. If it were, then not allowing kids to vote or drink before they become adults would be Orwellian. We are simply banning kids from a harmful activity until they are old enough to decide for themselves. The ban has to b…

> I find it hard to believe anyone would argue in good faith against this ban.

This is a problem. You will not accept an argument against the ban.

Instead you paint anyone presenting any opposition to any part of it as a stooge of predatory businesses.

> We are simply [...]

It's a simple idea, but the implementation is anything but.

> The real villains here are the social media companies [...]

They're getting out of this easy. You're giving them a free pass.

Tax them. Sue them.

Hold them liable for the content they show users.

Ban social media for children without empowering the social media companies or the government.

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

beached_whale wrote: post #644

We really need the age verification standards to catch up. I think there was stuff in the works, but something like OAuth that doesn't require the two third parties to know about each other and the browser/client is in the middle.

The age check push isn’t about checking ages it’s about linking IRL identity to account.

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Post by eps »

Gigachad wrote: post #673
polalavik wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really really hate the term "troll farm" it completely minimizes nation state level propaganda machines down to something that sounds like its just one big internet joke for gags. The cutesy 'fun' language of 'troll farm' itself deflects accountability from what are coordinated psychological operations. It makes it sound like some rambunctious kids in basements having a little weekend fun.

It was very illuminating though obvious when recently Twitter started showing account country of origin and all of the MAGA political accounts pretending to be American get revealed as run out of Nigeria and Russia. The scale of the operations is immense now.

> run out of Nigeria and Russia

... and India. Wasn't expecting that at all.

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Post by qwery »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #880
256_ wrote: post #803

A lot of the arguments I see in this thread are about whether modern mainstream social media are bad for young people. When the debate becomes about that, it's very easy to defend these types of Orwellian laws. It becomes "This is a problem, therefore the solution is good", without questioning the solution itself. I think this type of thinking is demonstrated, or perhaps exploited, very well by this article (I'm not…

> It becomes "This is a problem, therefore the solution is good", without questioning the solution itself. This is a very simplified view. The topic has been disputed for years, and societies has tried to find alternative solutions. But turns out, there is no other well enough working solution at the moment, hence the nuclear option. And sometimes that is the only working option anyway. Should be noted, this is not a…

> So it's a poor article, so what?

I believe their point was to illustrate the disconnect between the problem and the solution. They agree with the problem, and experienced "whiplash" when the solution was described.

> For Government, kids on social media are not a big problem, that will only bite them in the decades to come.

In Australia the kids on social media are a problem for the government, today. A 16 year old is less than two years away from voting. Successive governments have laughed at the idea of lowering the voting age to 16 or 17. The government has very little influence on social media -- this is different to older forms of media / communication.

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