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Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by duskdozer »

godelski wrote: post #377
shetaye wrote: post #81

Regarding Stanford specifically, I did not see the number broken down by academic or residential disability (in the underlying Atlantic article). This is relevant, because > Some students get approved for housing accommodations, including single rooms and emotional-support animals. buries the lede, at least for Stanford. It is incredibly commonplace for students to "get an OAE" (Office of Accessible Education) exclus…

Not at Stanford, but recent (PhD) graduate and I think you're pretty spot on, but also missing some things. The definition of disability is pretty wide. I have an emotional support animal but if it wasn't for the housing requirement I probably wouldn't have declared anything. I do have diagnosed depression[0] and ADHD. I tend to not be open about these unless it is relevant to the conversation and I don't really put…

>but the modern world and how things are going have changed things for the worse.

This is a good point. I suspect that even without increased awareness around ADHD or autism, we'd still be seeing an increase in diagnoses because of the increased intensity of modern stuff

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by michaelcampbell »

OGEnthusiast wrote: post #25

American society is at the point where if you don't play these sort of games/tricks, you'll get out-competed by those who do. Bleak.

I think all societies do this; this is just being human. All human groups migrate to whatever metric or rewards are provided.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by beacon294 »

qazxcvbnmlp wrote: post #171
swatcoder wrote: post #117

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> people that are just in the line where they are very productive workers anyway Of course, that applies to everybody who achieves a stable career at all. Exceedingly few people (if anyone) are competent and capable at everything, even when you're just talking about basic skills that are handy for common, everyday work. Your doctor may be a incorrigibly terrible driver, your bus driver may pass out at the sight of bl…

Well put. > A lot of modern, aspiring-middle-class and online culture Theres also a pernicious way of identifying with the struggle. Instead of I have trouble focusing in certain situations, so maybe I should find ways to spend my time (careers, hobbies) that work well with that. We instead go to 'I have ADHD' and my 'job' should make special accommodations for me. Regardless of whether a job should or should not mak…

> By pathologizing them, we(society) loose touch for what they mean in our life. It also makes discourse hard because the (this is causing me to truly not be able to function) gets mixed in with the (this is a way that my brain behaves, but I can mostly live a life).

As I recently learned, ADHD executive processing issues, rsd, and demand avoidance absolutely are a pathology and if you don't even know you have them it is like being hit by a truck when the requirements of your workplace (and your life) change under your feet.

There are situations in which I will use my accommodations in the future, but it has not been an everyday need for me.

Think of dyslexia. My dear friend is an all star aerospace engineer but he couldn't read his tests in college, so he used the extended test proctoring. In the workplace he needs to receive a report, then read it and meet after he has spent appropriate time on it. This is an accommodation. It is required.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by eszed »

OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote: post #437
eszed wrote: post #246

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Yep. That's exactly what I did when I taught at the university level. Mind you, I was single then, and had no family responsibilities, and the school was small enough that I could ask for the last test slot of the day and always easily get it. But, it's excellent for everyone. It's unfortunately not practical for every class to do when everyone's taking all of their finals in the same week. There will be inevitable s…

Oh certainly. As for a systemic solution, I imagine you could probably handle exam scheduling at the university level once enrollment is over and drop week has passed. Of course this only works if the entire university is on board. Otherwise the system breaks down at the edges super quickly. Once enrollment is more or less fixed I imagine you could generate a fairly optimal arrangement of final exams with an SMT solv…

I like your spirit, but the thought of trying to persuade a faculty senate to trust a computer solution more than the lady named Carol who's "always" made the exam schedules [adjust for local conditions] gave me my first good laugh of the day. Nothing about academia is optimized, and that's the way they like it. (To be fair, when I was teaching I kinda did too - it gave me latitude to arrange things, like my testing schedule, in ways that I believed were best for my students.)

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by cyanydeez »

potato3732842 wrote: post #725
cyanydeez wrote: post #593

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Is this better or worse than nepo babies, white privilege or other normal social status benefits for college?

Being born to rich white people doesn't provide positive reinforcement for sleazy behavior at an age where people are likely to take the lesson seriously. So yeah, I'll take nepo babies and racism over this any day;

Were full atm. Please stand inline behind the ICE bootlickers

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by peterfirefly »

jimnotgym wrote: post #840
Aurornis wrote: post #558

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> Being diagnosed doesn't immediately mean you should be accommodated. This is the loophole. Universities aren't the ones diagnosing, they're the ones accommodating. The current meta-game is for parents and students to share notes about which doctors will diagnose easily. Between word of mouth and searches on Reddit, it's not that hard to find doctors in any metro area who will provide diagnoses and accommodation req…

Presumably the University could do their own assessment to see what is appropriate? Not just rely on a note?

The US is a ridiculously litigious country. It could end up being very, very expensive if they did their own assessments, even if they hired doctors to do so.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by eszed »

ThinkingGuy wrote: post #337
eszed wrote: post #282

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Lol! I did that (sometimes) when I was in hospital in the UK. If you requested a halal meal they sourced it from a takeaway down the street, which was excellent, and a wonderful break from the usual dismal fare. I wasn't a dick about it, and would ask the meal order folks if it was OK to request one that day; sometimes they said 'yes', and sometimes not (based on what, I don't know), but they knew what was up, and di…

Supposedly this "trick" works on airline flights, too.

On BA I typically order the vegetarian option, after seeing my vegetarian (then) girlfriend's meals look repeatedly better than mine. I don't think the airlines much care which of their standard meals you ask for.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by OneDeuxTriSeiGo »

eszed wrote: post #894
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote: post #437

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Oh certainly. As for a systemic solution, I imagine you could probably handle exam scheduling at the university level once enrollment is over and drop week has passed. Of course this only works if the entire university is on board. Otherwise the system breaks down at the edges super quickly. Once enrollment is more or less fixed I imagine you could generate a fairly optimal arrangement of final exams with an SMT solv…

I like your spirit, but the thought of trying to persuade a faculty senate to trust a computer solution more than the lady named Carol who's "always" made the exam schedules [adjust for local conditions] gave me my first good laugh of the day. Nothing about academia is optimized, and that's the way they like it. (To be fair, when I was teaching I kinda did too - it gave me latitude to arrange things, like my testing…

oh lmao yeah the main barrier is totally that faculty won't support the effort. It's possible but they aint gonna do it.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by missingdays »

Lammy wrote: post #551
TeMPOraL wrote: post #533

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Isn't this how you're supposed to be doing it anyway?

ADHD is when high school chemistry class covers emulsifiers and you remember it

Why does remembering a topic covered in school mean having ADHD?
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