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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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1) Israel serves as a lightning rod. Much of the Islamist violence is directed at them rather than at the rest of the world. 2) Israel is a nuclear power. You think they'll let themselves be exterminated (and that's what their opponents want) without using their bombs?

There is a lot to unpack in this. Your #1 is encoding an unexamined assumption that there is a fixed or at least somewhat inflexible amount of violence to be directed anywhere. It also ignores the lightning generation engine, so to speak, that is the settler colonialism causing unrest across the region. On #2 - Rational people see that they are willing to do everything short of nuclear war when they feel like their c…

"Never again" - Was that ever an idea that Israel committed to? I thought this is only something that Germany and potentially other countries committed to, and Israel saw itself as the victim since forever, so they have no reason to commit to anything, but the victim card, which allowed them to have their own country in the first place.

Note though, that Germany's commitment to "never again" got somehow repurposed in exactly letting the thing happen again. Be it because politicians here are not actually educated enough to recognize the thing they should prevent, want to close their eyes to the fact that the once-victim now perpetrator, did it and they did nothing to stop it, they just don't care, the weapon exports are just too good of a business, or whatever. Germany has utterly failed to prevent the thing from happening ever again, and Israel has proven our collective "blind spot". The one entity, that no German politician is allowed to criticize. And still the political climate is such that, most likely, if you criticize Israel in any way, your political career is over and you get branded as an anti-Semite. Oh the irony of it.

While it should actually be a huge headline in every newspaper, that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians and is still committing it as we sit here, the newspapers are awfully quiet. It seems like it is not even worth a headline. Man, the truth hurts. Sucks when your reporting has been so biased all along. Hard to make a 165 degree turn now, I guess (I give them 15 degree, for the occasional reporting on the matter at all.).

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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This post is frankly embarrassing. For civilians, does being warned your life is going to be bombed to ashes soften the explosion?

If I am going to attack a military installation under your house and I warn you to leave, that is not genocide.

If I see your house, miles from any military installation, and I destroy it in order to kill you, and I do that over and over and over, that is genocide.

In both cases, the house is destroyed. In one case, your life is saved.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #572

It is incredibly interesting how the US (and Germany) have put so much into Israel and associated groups they really don't want it to fail (despite the Israeli gov doing their damnest to facilitate just that). In my understanding Israel, in the eyes of the US, is a convenient "wedge" in the Arab space that allows for easier power projection in the area, plus they have a healthy amount of zionists close to money and p…

The current US administration also derives a lot of its support from evangelical Christians, who have a belief that Israel must exist in order for Jesus to return to earth. Which I’m sure he’d be a fan of all the lying and killing that was done to make that happen…

It probably has more to do with soft power like dirt on policy makers than what the plebs think. What do you think Epstein was paid to do?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #578

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Same cards they always play: - our enemies are Hamas sympathisers - our enemies are secretly Hamas members OR - it's antisemitism

One look at the victims (or their mangled remains) immediately discounts all three.

That may be, but that has never stopped Israeli military from doing anything.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #893

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The current US administration also derives a lot of its support from evangelical Christians, who have a belief that Israel must exist in order for Jesus to return to earth. Which I’m sure he’d be a fan of all the lying and killing that was done to make that happen…

It probably has more to do with soft power like dirt on policy makers than what the plebs think. What do you think Epstein was paid to do?

Yes, support started for Israel once Epstein got dirt on them. There is no history of support for Israel prior to that. Yours it totally the most likely/rational take.

WTF is going on with this site? You sure have people real comfortable to say this kind of shit here.

"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert." --Jean-Paul Sartre

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Israel needs to take a more precise approach to getting rid of Hamas.

People keep saying that but nobody proposes a meaningful more precise approach. There are plenty of military planners in nations hostile to Israel, if there is a better answer why are they not pointing it out to make Israel look bad? And look at Israel vs Hezbollah--Hezbollah makes little use of human shield tactics, casualties run in the ballpark of 90% combatant. Same force, same type of opponent, what's the differ…

"There are plenty of military planners in nations hostile to Israel, if there is a better answer why are they not pointing it out to make Israel look bad?"

Why would the military in countries hostile to Israel provide Israel with advice or plans on defeating their enemies?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Unprovoked? Israel has raped and killed many people before, on, and since that day. Eye for an eye, and the whole world will be blind. That's the path Israel is following.

War has never been well regulated nor fair and just. There was relative peace before October 7.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #878
post #874

The trouble is, what is the right medium or long term solution. If Israel militarily fails as a state, which seems to me to be an implicit aim of a significant number of anti-Israel folks, the results will make the current Gaza conflict look like a joke.

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Supposing this were true, which it isn’t. Wouldn’t you rather treat such a dog (this is disgusting metaphor) as opposed to killing it?

And supposing you had a rabid dog you couldn’t put down, do you really think harassing it (October 7) would really be the best course of action?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #878
post #874

The trouble is, what is the right medium or long term solution. If Israel militarily fails as a state, which seems to me to be an implicit aim of a significant number of anti-Israel folks, the results will make the current Gaza conflict look like a joke.

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You just called Israel a rabid dog, which is crazy. I can’t even begin to compute how this couldn’t be construed as disgustingly anti-Semitic.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Short-term, Israel should have pumped the breaks on disproportionate response. Dahiya doctrine never worked, and now Hamas has successfully leveraged it to win (undue!) international credibility. If a policy of de-escalation can be honored, you can lay the groundwork for a medium/long term solution that respects all sovereign parties.

What does de-escalation look like in Gaza? Allowing Hamas to regroup and re-arm, so they can repeat October 7 as they publicly promised to do?

A newly created throwaway account, repeating the prop of a genocidal military. Surely you can do better than this.
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