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Post by agent327 »

Tostino wrote: post #784
agent327 wrote: post #396

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It works quite well in China, assuming of course you are not so unlucky as to want to protest on Tienanmen Square. Or have useful organs someone higher up might want to harvest. Or are an Uygur. Or a Tibetan. Or live in a place downstream of a large dam. Or want to express an opinion. Oh, and you know how Nazi Germany was the first time that Nazism was tried as well? It also succeeded in some ways, and failed in othe…

What are the aspects of Nazi Germany that you think have merit and we should try again? You can't just pick and choose when the aspects are intrinsically linked though.

They had a strong focus on family and tradition. They were against globalisation, which is mostly a centralising force that benefits the super-wealthy, and _only_ the super-wealthy. They believed in themselves, as a people and as a nation, something we are not allowed to do anymore.

Will you now argue that those things are intrinsically linked to starting wars and conducting genocides? If so, you are going to need MUCH more than just "the nazis did that, therefore everyone who holds even one of those views must hold all of them". And just to make sure: my description of good points applies to the Amish as well, but I don't think anyone would accuse them of wars and genocides.

Re: Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Post by agent327 »

baconbrand wrote: post #538
agent327 wrote: post #396

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It works quite well in China, assuming of course you are not so unlucky as to want to protest on Tienanmen Square. Or have useful organs someone higher up might want to harvest. Or are an Uygur. Or a Tibetan. Or live in a place downstream of a large dam. Or want to express an opinion. Oh, and you know how Nazi Germany was the first time that Nazism was tried as well? It also succeeded in some ways, and failed in othe…

You haven’t listed anything unique to socialism. Capitalism also works well until you’re poor and don’t want to live right next to, I don’t know, a bitcoin mining facility or something. Authoritarians are the ones running down dissidents with tanks and spinning up concentration camps, not their economic systems.

And you don't think that an economic system that denies every aspect of freedom (down to, and including the freedom to decide what, or even whether you get to eat, what you wear, where you'll live, what your job is, etc.) can possibly exist without also introducing a very hefty dose of authoritarianism?

Re: Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Post by andriesm »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #129
octo888 wrote: post #98

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Pre COVID, IKEA had a lot of decent value stuff (prices were low, relatively better built items too, relative to the other stock). There were also plenty of staff on the tills and on the shop floor to ask questions or get assistance. You genuinely felt they passed on the savings They also had decent online shopping. These days though they're just like everyone else and have cut cut cut and prices have risen. The rest…

> These days though they're just like everyone else and have cut cut cut and prices have risen. The restaurant has gone to crap too Aren't restaurants a totally local thing? They have vastly different offers eg in slovenia compared to italy (i visit both quite often), except for maybe hotdogs and cinnabuns... somehow the main ikea prices are different too.

The reason why companies cut jobs while increasing prices for the same or worse products...... is.... wait for it..... money printing. NOT some new found level of corporate greed, companies have ALWAYS been greedy. It's not a change in greed. It's the result of the covid shutdowns where money printing was increased at the same time as the production of goods and services declined. That economic imbalance is still being felt, and of course money printing has re-accelerated after the big inflation scare caused them to temporarily cool it down.

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Post by agent327 »

mystraline wrote: post #626
agent327 wrote: post #407

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There absolutely is a difference between people that die because we, as a species, cannot afford to spend the combined sum of all of our productivity on health care (which means that you will have to tell some people "no", even though they will die as a result of that), and a tyrannical dictator specifically ordering the death of people because they are a political threat to him. Maybe you feel that a pill that costs…

> There absolutely is a difference between people that die because we, as a species, cannot afford to spend the combined sum of all of our productivity on health care (which means that you will have to tell some people "no", even though they will die as a result of that), and a tyrannical dictator specifically ordering the death of people because they are a political threat to him. I remember the howls of 'Death Pane…

>most new drugs come out of the public higher education in the form of studies and papers

Citation needed. Solvaldi, the drug we are talking about, was developed by Pharmasset. I see no evidence of university ties, and I find it hard to believe that a university would let such a money maker slip out of their hands if they had any kind of claim to it.

Even at a mere $300 per pill, you are still looking at $25K for a single treatment, which is well above what most people can afford. So would excluding millions of people from treatment be acceptable if the pills were priced at ingredient cost?

As for the bacteriophages, it perfectly supports my point: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/9sxcko/was_t...

"However, just three years later Eliava and his wife were accused of fantastical crimes and murdered at the personal direction of Lavrentiy Beria, chief of the NKVD. After this d'Herelle was so terrified and disillusioned with the whole Soviet experiment that he never returned from a trip to France... ...Eliava had the misfortune to fall in love, and then sleep with, an opera singer that Beria was obsessed with. Though academic opinion suggests that Beria may have been simply demonstrating to the military and/or still influential Georgian Bolsheviks that even a Hero of Soviet Science was not safe from his machinations."

Communism at work, doing precisely what I told you it does. If the head of the CIA murders a random civilian, it is, thankfully, still a crime in your capitalist society.

And in opposition to your list of capitalist ills I will put the communist equivalents: no medicine, no food, and no products. And even then they managed ecological devastation, such as the lake Karachay area...

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Post by whynotminot »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #885
jstummbillig wrote: post #354

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$20 buys you o3 access. I have not run into limits for personal or professional information or research purposes. I am sure you can.

Last time I had access to o3 on a $20 subscription, the usage limit was laughably low. Accessing it through an API is much better value - I get over 1000 interactions with a much more controllable system message, which is a lot better than ChatGPT Plus.

Was that a pretty long time ago? Because I use o3 daily and have never hit a limit.

The only "limit" I have really with o3 is my patience -- it's a slow model for regular use. If I don't need its intelligence I'll use o4-mini or even 4o for speed, saving o3 for the prompts that really need it.

These days the only model I find I get rate-limited on frustratingly quickly is 4.5. It's clear OpenAI does not really want you using that one, despite the fact that's very good (and probably very expensive for them)! Pretty underrated imo.

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Post by nathan_douglas »

mcv wrote: post #582
akudha wrote: post #551

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It is not about not knowing some topic. I am myself an average programmer on my best day and I don't expect candidates to be genius level thinkers. It is the lying, the making stuff up on the spot - like what are they thinking? The blatant arrogance and callousness towards the person/people interviewing them. How hard can it be to say "I don't know" or "I don't use this concept in my daily tasks, but let me try to ex…

This is in fact one of my two requirements when interviewing: I want to hear the candidate say "I don't know" to a question. The other is that I want to hear them talk passionately about some project they once did. Bullshitting is an immediate fail.

ho boy, I wish I were interviewed by more people like you. I never know what the hell is going on and it's almost impossible to get me to shut up about my stupid projects.

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Post by tpoacher »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #80
tpoacher wrote: post #62

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You're misattributing abhorrence as offense. If someone tells you they've commited [insert abhorrent act here], you're not offended by their beliefs, you're abhorred and disgusted by their actions. Them telling the truth doesn't make it any less abhorrent. Hence "what a ghoul".

>If someone tells you they've commited [insert abhorrent act here] Since when is talking to an AI an "abhorrent act"? Don't you feel you're doing a disservice to victims of actual abhorrent acts? Btw, you're already talking to an AI when you're applying to jobs online, it's called an ATS.

At the risk of explaining something to someone who doesn't want it explained:

The original comment to which you replied, called Adam Jackson, CEO and founder of Braintrust, a company that distributes AI interviewers, a ghoul, for saying “The truth is, if you want a job, you’re gonna go through this thing,”. You understood that as them being offended by the truth, implying the relevant truth here was that talking to an AI is an "abhorrent act", and thus being faced by that truth makes them offended.

To which I replied, they're not offended by the implication that people will have to interact with an AI; they're abhorred by the callousness with which a CEO of a company that distributes AI interviews would so cavalierly dismiss any ethical and moral concerns on such a serious topic affecting real humans, and implicitly doing so out of personal gain with no consideration for the humans affected by this tool.

So what makes him a ghoul is that he's willing to peddle an immoral and unethical poor quality solution which causes grief and unemployment and is a faceless system without recourse, while pretending that it is inevitable and thus there's no need for concern or ethical oversight.

As an analogy, if someone sold guns to both factions and when interviewed portrayed themselves as a hero because "war is inevitable", you wouldn't be offended about the truth of war, you'd be abhorred that this guy is facilitating war and death for personal gain.

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Post by WaxProlix »

XorNot wrote: post #889
WaxProlix wrote: post #875

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I don't really agree - a dedicated populous with light arms in both cases was able to ward off a full victory on their home turf, and the US caved to losses and other pressures (60k dead americans in 'nam, hundreds of thousands wounded physically, notorious trauma uncounted etc). I don't have any sort of civil war fantasy, but I think that holding out against a military deployment in-country until it became socially…

Sure...in 20 years. The US stayed in Afghanistan for long enough a whole new generation grew up after the occupation had started. There's many dictatorships which are considerably older then that, yet weapons are easily available or common - Iraqis didn't lack for small arms during Saddam's rule.

Iraqis didn't view Saddam as an invading force. Some even liked him!

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Post by antonvs »

agent327 wrote: post #457
antonvs wrote: post #404

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That's a pretty weak inductive argument. To substantiate it, you'd need to look at the actual causes of that apparent connection. In doing so, you'd likely find that the connection is nowhere near as directly causal as you seem to be imagining. After all, China has been following a market-based variation on a communist one-party state for quite some time. While it's certainly not the freest country in the world, toda…

The connection is trivial: you are upsetting an existing power system, temporarily removing all checks and balances. The new power system gets established by the aggressors, and they have absolutely no reason to hold back. At that point, human nature will simply take over. My perspective has nothing to do with indoctrination, but is instead born out of historical knowledge. Communism has been tried again, and again,…

> you are upsetting an existing power system

That has nothing to do with communism specifically, so isn't a very strong starting point for your argument. You're essentially saying that no significantly different system can stably replace the current system, which is of course an ahistorical claim.

> each time the outcome was the same.

What about modern China? It supports over 4x the population of the US. The US is currently falling apart politically and economically as it is, so whether its current system can scale to the level of China's is an open question, to which the answer is "almost certainly not." Is American-style capitalism only suited for smaller countries, then?

You're cherry-picking of facts to focus on and facts to ignore. You have a conclusion that you believe in as a fact, which forces you to carefully choose what you allow to enter your thinking on the subject.

I'm not actually saying that communism is the solution. But I am saying that your argument is not a good one against it.

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Post by agent327 »

antonvs wrote: post #899
agent327 wrote: post #457

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The connection is trivial: you are upsetting an existing power system, temporarily removing all checks and balances. The new power system gets established by the aggressors, and they have absolutely no reason to hold back. At that point, human nature will simply take over. My perspective has nothing to do with indoctrination, but is instead born out of historical knowledge. Communism has been tried again, and again,…

> you are upsetting an existing power system That has nothing to do with communism specifically, so isn't a very strong starting point for your argument. You're essentially saying that no significantly different system can stably replace the current system, which is of course an ahistorical claim. > each time the outcome was the same. What about modern China? It supports over 4x the population of the US. The US is cu…

> You're essentially saying that no significantly different system can stably replace the current system, which is of course an ahistorical claim.

I'd say most times it happened in history, significant bloodshed was incurred during a system change. Systems change as the result of revolutions and wars. People die, during those.

> What about modern China?

Modern China killed tens of million people during the Great Chinese Famine, which was caused entirely by communist policy, so I don't think your argument is working as well as you were hoping. And if that's too old for you: the jury is still out on how many Chinese died during the covid lockdown, but it's likely to be substantial. In the West, a lockdown meant you weren't allowed to leave your home. In China, it meant they welded you into your apartment, with whatever food you had available.

> You're cherry-picking of facts to focus on and facts to ignore.

Whereas you are completely blind to the inevitable outcome of the policies you pursue.

What facts do you think I'm ignoring? Is it the fairness of Stalinist Russia? The freedom of North Korea? The economic progress of communist Ethiopia? The intellectual prowess of communist Cambodia? The equality of China? What am I overlooking that turns murderous communist regimes into great places to emulate?

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