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Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Why do you trust the government to ban non-political speech?

I don’t, I just don’t think non-political speech is as important.

One of the big problems here is that once you start letting the government ban a class of speech, you’re also implicitly letting them classify speech.

Their definition of what is or isn’t protected political speech is going to be warped by their capability to ban non-political speech.

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What is meant by uncensored though? Did it have for example the complete unfiltered human knowledge, or was its dataset filtered to exclude e.g. 4chan?

It was uncensored enough to a point where I can confidently say that the parent's story is not true.

sorry, I looked again and I think it was either llama-2-7b or llama-2-13b from TheBloke on huggingface. It is very old and my vm no longer runs it (I must have installed too much conflicting software since). I used ggerganov llama and ggml ggerganov llama, and when I run ./main ... it now coredumps.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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I don’t buy the “revealed a latent fetish” explanation. I don’t think people are born with a fetish baked into their soul. Like, the people with the “blueberry expansion” one, you really think they were born with that? No, of course not, that would be dumb. I think the main reason people put forth the “latent fetish” explanation is in order to argue that pornography is harmless. As for why it harms me? The purpose of…

> I don’t buy the “revealed a latent fetish” explanation. I don’t think people are born with a fetish baked into their soul. There’s a 3rd explanation: fetishes aren’t inborn, but they’re not instilled by porn either. Instead, they develop through a complex interaction of psychological, developmental, neurological, and cultural factors. One theory is that, if a person repeatedly experiences sexual arousal in the pres…

To add: I had never heard of the "blueberry expansion" fetish before. But that sounds like it fits the above explanation. Five bucks says people with this fetish had a childhood experience where their parents sat them in front of a TV, put on "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", and went to make love in the next room. The kid probably figured out what was going on around the same time Violet Beauregarde turned into a blueberry.

There's probably a greater-than-zero number of people who had that experience, and there are probably similar fetishes around chocolate rivers, pneumatic tubes, and little orange people.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#894
When can we start banning christianity from different platforms? It's not an issue of separation of church and state as these are private companies. The blood on the hands of the church is well documented, not to mention the Catholic Church molesting so many children. Why can't we go after them as well?

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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This actually took longer than I thought. It is really weird that for all my adult content I have to go to a dedicated adult store, yet for games I can find them on Steam and gog where kids shop for games. You don’t get porn movies on Netflix or Disney stream. You don’t get adult toys in your local grocery store. Why do we sell porn on Steam? Why haven’t game stores just spin off separate store front for porn content…

You can walk into any bookstore and buy a bible, which has plenty of disgusting content in it.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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post #849

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Why do you trust the government to ban non-political speech?

I don’t, I just don’t think non-political speech is as important.

Do you trust the government to determine what is and isn't political speech?

The left has been talking for years about how what would we have classified 20 as political speech 20 years ago is not really political speech but hate speech, and inciting people to violence.

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I don't think blockchains are the way forward, but the crypto people had one thing right: The incentive towards providing storage/compute/connectivity for transaction settlement should be built into the protocol, not provided by some corruptible institution. The idea that coins would be mined by the people providing the compute has unacceptable consequences, but it did solve the problem that it set out to solve. So w…

The Circles white paper is something like this. (I heard the Circles project went off the rails, but the original white paper is still there)

Yeah, circles was the inspiration. I decided to deviate from the Circles design because I want partition tolerance--and you can't do token-issuance-on-a-schedule in a partition tolerant way (no way to agree about what time it is).

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post #865

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What are the principles governing the exceptions you listed (slander, doxxing, incitement)?

1. Direct, obvious harm beyond "my feelings were upset." 2. Actually, this isn't illegal in a lot of places. 3. Direct, obvious harm beyond "my feelings were upset."

Should we ever consider broad societal harm, or just focus on individual harm? It's to me just short sighted to only consider the later.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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I don’t, I just don’t think non-political speech is as important.

Do you trust the government to determine what is and isn't political speech? The left has been talking for years about how what would we have classified 20 as political speech 20 years ago is not really political speech but hate speech, and inciting people to violence.

> Do you trust the government to determine what is and isn't political speech?

Even in the U.S., which is highly protective of speech, we've had carve outs for obscenity, etc., that have been fairly workable. It's hard to take a rule directed at banning porn and apply it to political speech.

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It's crazy to me that people can simultaneously understand that censorship is bad and still think we can allow for exceptions for things like "obscenity/pornography" or "hate speech" Free expression means that objectionable things will be said, even published. There are certainly hairy exceptions, like doxxing, slander, or incitement to violence that can put people in immediate danger, but stuff like this clearly doe…

This isn't censorship. This is VISA/MC saying "you can't pay for porn with our service" or more broadly, "you can't pay for things that we don't want to be associated with" which is their right.

They're in panic mode and nuke all mode because one payment facilitator in Europe under investigation.
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