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Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by lotsoweiners »

542354234235 wrote: post #874
fnordpiglet wrote: post #830

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Actually this is untrue. The congestion improvement comes from cooperation between vehicles. Basic control theory applied to cooperative vehicles found 5% of cars participating can eliminate stop and go traffic conditions, and in general as you approach 100% penetration all traffic moves at maximum rate effectively like a self assembling mass transit system. Only if you effectively replaced human drivers as adversari…

If you built a lightrail where only 3 people could be in each section, that would be a close equivilant to driver density. At anything close to rush hour, you couldn't put enough trains on the line to keep up with demand, because trying to transport that many people, at that low density, all to the same area just doesn't work. It is so crazy to me the lengths people will go to justify car culture over walkability and…

> because trying to transport that many people, at that low density, all to the same area just doesn't work.

This is being solved (to the chagrin of urbanists) by companies moving out of downtown high rises and into suburban office parks. Remote work has helped as well.

> It is so crazy to me the lengths people will go to justify car culture over walkability and public transit.

You aren’t going to make the entirety of the LA metro area walkable and connected by public transit. Sure you can make a neighborhood a little more walkable and you can connect some denser areas with light rail but that just doesn’t solve the problem that you seem to have issue with.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by data_maan »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #688
data_maan wrote: post #648

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Hah! The converse to your claim is: the only way to exist is to intrude on other people space (by loud talking, hearing music etc).;)

Contrapositive is the logistically consistent statement, and that does not involve intruding in others’ space (depending on one’s definition of intrude, I guess).

You're right about the contrapositive, but wrong about its meaning in this context.

OP said: polite => not exist. I said: exist => not polite (the contrapositive).

Thus this very well involves potentially intruding on other people's space :)

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by fnordpiglet »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #837
fnordpiglet wrote: post #827

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I assume it’ll become less manned and less action taken because manning and taking action costs money, reduces margin, and removes cars from circulation. Certainly for crimes they’ll go after you. But leaving litter, spilling stuff, even leaving bodily fluids, I suspect will get through the cracks more and more as margins compress.

This doesn’t even happen for cheaper mass transit, why would it happen for more expensive automated taxis? Cleaning a car isn’t hard, they can centralize that fairly easy, Waymo has already talked about adding e-nose sensors to the interior eventually, then we don’t even need AI to flag a strong odor.

Have you ever ridden the NYC subway? I did for 10 years and let me tell you, it’s happened on mass transit.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by tdeck »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #879
lurking_swe wrote: post #792

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I think simple solutions exist. For example the waymo could just ask the rider at the beginning of the ride “Is your car smelly? Any trash in the car?” If they reply YES to any of those questions, then google keeps the recording of the previous ride for later review. Simple, no? If the car actually was dirty, give the person that said “car was dirty” a refund of 20% on their ride. Then charge the party that made the…

You realize that this will just cause people to answer, "yes, it smells like urine" and then pee in the car?

Do you think that many people pre-plan peeing in the car?

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by zx8080 »

derwiki wrote: post #739
Exoristos wrote: post #568

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"Modern norms" often just means individuals being myopic jackasses.

I guess? The town my parents settled in was doing well when they moved there. 15 years later when I was born, it and all the surrounding towns were clearly in decline. Today, friends that have stuck around say it’s not safe to walk around because of the meth. They also didn’t have jobs for programmers, so I moved to where they did.

> Today, friends that have stuck around say it’s not safe to walk around

Which neighbourhood is it?

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by freddie_mercury »

1oooqooq wrote: post #712
freddie_mercury wrote: post #344

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Uber was never child friendly.

in LA all my friend's little kids take uber and Lyft rides to catch Pokemon. don't know what hellhole you live that's worse than LA

Uber doesn't have car seats.

California requires car seats until age 8.

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CCDPHP/DCDIC/SACB/CDPH%20Do...

Your friends little kids aren't taking Uber. Your friends big kids are taking Uber. They're already 50% of the way to driving a car themselves by the time they can take Uber.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by addaon »

lokar wrote: post #852
notyourwork wrote: post #770

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This, black car service is not what uber offers. They offer a uber driver with a black car.

It depends on location

> It depends on location

Can you clarify? From https://www.uber.com/us/en/ride/uberblack/, the only obvious location dependency is that drivers must "meet state- or local-level livery regulations" -- I think this just means that for this subset of drivers, Uber chooses to actually verify that they're following the law? Which I know is a deviation from their usual model, but seems like it's very literally the least they could do. Is there more per-geo (per-country?) variation in what "Black" means that's not documented there?

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by addaon »

FireBeyond wrote: post #776
Macha wrote: post #395

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Don't the drivers only see the tips in aggregate form at the end of the week?

Unsure. But they at least know you've tipped. "Steve thanked you for your tip."

> Unsure. But they at least know you've tipped. "Steve thanked you for your tip."

Wait, is that actually based on driver action? I assumed it was just another notification to drive "engagement" when someone accidentally taps it, same as the daily "special deals" for Eats and stuff.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by addaon »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #766
AuthConnectFail wrote: post #566

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but do you care for accountability or more safety (through lower crash rate)at the end of the day?

Between modern car safety standards and modern US healthcsre: accountability. The worst case scenario (where I still live) is drastic and I'd rather not add fighting a tech company in court on top of the medical burden, which I'll need to do just to afford the latter.

> The worst case scenario (where I still live) is drastic and I'd rather not add fighting a tech company in court on top of the medical burden, which I'll need to do just to afford the latter.

If you're aware of a medical burden, you've done a pretty good job of avoiding the worst case scenario.

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Post by yunwal »

lurking_swe wrote: post #789
socalgal2 wrote: post #556

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If the automated systems work I'd use them. Instead, USA systems are designed around trying to prevent theft and they error in the store's favor. I've had those automated systems scream that I haven't put my purchase in the bag. The purchase being single envelope of yeast, too light to measure. So it screams and scream "PLEASE PLACE THE PRODUCT IN THE BAG", "PLEASE PLACE THE PRODUCT IN THE BAG", "PLEASE PLACE THE PRO…

i avoid those stores, i agree it’s very irritating. Stop & Shop is a good example. The checkout machine is constantly weighing the bag! Ugh. As an FYI there are stores that DON’T have annoying self checkout machines: Target, Walmart, Whole Foods, Costco, Home Depot, and a few more…

The Target near me won't let you scan any item over $100 at self-checkout, but they don't tell you that before you get in the self-checkout line. I've had to go through 2 10min plus lines before and now I just avoid the self-checkout. I'm sure in the long run it's costing them
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