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At Amazon, some coders say their jobs have begun to resemble warehouse work

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Re: At Amazon, some coders say their jobs have begun to resemble warehouse work

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Post by ath3nd »

saagarjha wrote: post #544
Noumenon72 wrote: post #346

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"One medical debt away from being destitute" is socialists trying to make common cause between the upper and lower class. We have great insurance and big piles of savings, there's nothing in common with people who can barely afford their deductible and lose their job for missing too much work. The boundary between working class and not working class is not at the 99th percentile where you would have it. The diminishi…

Great insurance coming from where exactly?

> We have great insurance and big piles of savings, there's nothing in common with people who can barely afford their deductible and lose their job for missing too much work.

Bullshit.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/23/business/inflation-cost-o...

https://ssti.org/blog/large-percentage-americans-report-they...

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/18/amid-inflation-more-middle-c...

Between 30 and 70% of Americans can't make ends meet. What used to be called "middle class" is disappearing, making way to only 1%-ers and us, the rest. The fact that I drive a Tesla and some guy drives a Dodge, doesn't mean we are not both stuck in traffic while there is some shcmuck flying on their private jet to reach their yacht.

Re: At Amazon, some coders say their jobs have begun to resemble warehouse work

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

dabockster wrote: post #881
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #460

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In general, the legal peril of contaminated copyrights made closed-source desktop coding less lucrative. Most if not all current desktop applications from major commercial vendors is at least in part server hosted, or online subscription based. It is simply a shift from shovel-ware to a service model, and does what DRM did for the music businesses. Personally, I often release under Apache license as both a gift and a…

That’s awesome that you were able to make it work. But not everyone has the ability, either logistically or financially (or both), to enforce copyrights on open source code. So we should assume there will be some big bad actors who will absolutely take advantage of that.

Indeed, but the Apache license is quite different from BSD or GPL v3.

In my opinion, less restrictions on all users naturally fragments any attempt to lock-down generic features in the ecosystem.

Submarine Patent attacks using FOSS code as a delivery mechanism is far more of a problem these days, as users often can't purchase rights even if trying to observe legal requirements. The first-to-file laws also mean published works may be captured even if already in the public domain.

It is a common error to think commercial entities are somehow different from the university legal outreach departments. Yet they often offer the same legal peril, and unfeasible economic barriers to deployment.

Best regards, =3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY

Re: At Amazon, some coders say their jobs have begun to resemble warehouse work

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Post by ath3nd »

dmoy wrote: post #359
vkou wrote: post #193

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Normalize it to a logarithmic scale, and the SWE is still quite obviously a wagie. But the gross and unconscionable concentration of power in a small handful of unelected oligarchs is not the relevant distinction here. When ownership of things can keep you and your family fed, clothed, and sheltered in comfort, you're part of the owning class. If it can't, you're a worker. Maybe a skilled worker, maybe a highly paid…

Yea for concrete numbers: If you have somewhere between $5M and $10M in a HCoL American city, you are probably no longer working class insofar as you could quit, get on ACA healthcare, and rent a decent house or buy / mortgage a decent house and live a pretty comfortable life indefinitely. But you're on the very low end of not-working-class and are living a modest life (if you quit and stop drawing a salary). If you…

> A lot of software engineers can get to $5M-$10M range in like 10-30

$5-$10M for 30 years, but only if you save every penny in between? Wow, that's very impressive and totally life-changing! Reminds me of the story how millennials are not able to afford buying a house because of avocado toast!

Re: At Amazon, some coders say their jobs have begun to resemble warehouse work

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Post by saagarjha »

ath3nd wrote: post #891
saagarjha wrote: post #544

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Great insurance coming from where exactly?

> We have great insurance and big piles of savings, there's nothing in common with people who can barely afford their deductible and lose their job for missing too much work. Bullshit. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/23/business/inflation-cost-o... https://ssti.org/blog/large-percentage-americans-report-they... https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/18/amid-inflation-more-middle-c... Between 30 and 70% of Americans can't make…

I think you replied to the wrong person?

Re: At Amazon, some coders say their jobs have begun to resemble warehouse work

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Post by winrid »

guappa wrote: post #674
winrid wrote: post #226

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I have the same observation. I've been able to improve things I just didn't have the energy to do for a while. But if you're gonna be lazy, it will multiply the bad.

Yesterday I searched how to fix some windows issue, google AI told me to create a new registry key as a 32 bit value and write a certain string in there.

Google's search LLM I think is not very good.

Re: At Amazon, some coders say their jobs have begun to resemble warehouse work

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Post by bArray »

carefulfungi wrote: post #833
bArray wrote: post #722

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I've not yet seen code review implemented in a good way in places I have worked. It's not really considered "real work" (may result in zero lines of code change) and it takes time to properly read through code and figuring out where the weaknesses might be. I just end up being forced to skim read for anything obvious and merging, because there is not enough time to review the code properly.

As a manager, code review has two benefits that typically matter to me: (a) cost: it's cheaper to fix a defect that hasn't shipped (reading tests for missing cases is a useful review, in my experience); (b) bus-factor: make sure someone else has a passing familiarity with the code. And some ancillary (and somewhat performative benefits) like compliance: your iso-27001, soc-2 change control processes likely require a…

Out of interest, how are you using code reviews to be ISO-27001 compliant?

Re: At Amazon, some coders say their jobs have begun to resemble warehouse work

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Post by carefulfungi »

bArray wrote: post #896
carefulfungi wrote: post #833

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As a manager, code review has two benefits that typically matter to me: (a) cost: it's cheaper to fix a defect that hasn't shipped (reading tests for missing cases is a useful review, in my experience); (b) bus-factor: make sure someone else has a passing familiarity with the code. And some ancillary (and somewhat performative benefits) like compliance: your iso-27001, soc-2 change control processes likely require a…

Out of interest, how are you using code reviews to be ISO-27001 compliant?

ISO-27001's change management process requires that [you have and a execute a change management policy that requires that] changes are conducted as planned, that changes are evaluated for impact, and are authorized. In my experience, auditors will accept peer-review as a component of your change management procedure as a meaningful contributor to meeting these requirements.

"All changes are reviewed by a subject matter expert who verifies that the change meets the planned activity as described in the associated issue/ticket. Changes are not deployed to production environments until authorized by a subject matter expert after review. An independent reviewer evaluates changes for production impact before the change is deployed..."

If you are doing code review already, might as well leverage it here.

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