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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by earnestinger »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #614
mmooss wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are believing the trash talk and allowing it to intimidate you. You are helping them by spreading it and legitimizing it. The executive branch is obeying the courts, with some pushback.

Is it an issue that the Executive is trash talking "they aren't going to obey the courts" ? You think that should be ignored?

Parent poster is not saying it should be ignored, parent poster is saying that people should not give-up and repeat “courts can be ignore”.

Because if enough people chant that, then it will become a real possibility.

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Post by throw310822 »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #767
throw310822 wrote: post #391

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> it could be tricky for pro-palestinians because they can fall easily into the trap of using party slogans used by proscribed organisations Any excuse is good when you have power and want to justify repression. For example they tried to claim that the slogan "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" is genocidal . Quite a jump. (Meanwhile, the Likud's platform says "from the river to the sea there will be o…

> they tried to claim that the slogan "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" is genocidal. There is no other meaning. The slogan is a call to kill every single Israeli. That is literally what it means. Where will the israelis be when palestine is free from the river to the see? The hamas charter still to this day calls to kill every single israeli. This is the problem. You yourself dont even know what it…

> The slogan is a call to kill every single Israeli. ... Where will the israelis be when palestine is free from the river to the see?

Oh well, this is just unbelievable. So by your logic the Likud platform, where it claims Israeli sovereignty over the whole Palestine ("from the Jordan to the sea") is a call to kill every single Palestinian? So Israel is ruled since thirty years by a genocidal party? And have you denounced this left and right?

> For the record I think Likud is awful as well, but at least in the US there are no serious israel supporters using the israeli version of the slogan.

I register that when you talk about a protest slogan calling for "freedom" you call it "genocidal"; when talking about the governing party in Israel, whose leader is under arrest order for crimes against humanity, it's just "awful". So is Likud, Israel's ruling party, genocidal or not? Does that make Israel a genocidal state or not? Does it make the US politicians that support the current Israeli government genocidal or not?

By your logic the proposal to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip, made by Trump and endorsed by Netanyahu (or more probably the other way around), is also a call to kill every single Palestinian in it? And this is not a slogan, it is literally a proposal by the president of the most powerful country on earth. Did you denounce it?

But you logic is flawed.

What if Israel is dissolved and becomes a different state and Jews and Arabs are both unharmed and free to live in it? Wouldn't then Palestine be free, without the need to kill anyone?

> The hamas charter still to this day calls to kill every single israeli

This is a mystification. Even the original Hamas charter (the one that was replaced by a much tamer one) explicitly said that under the protection of Islam, Muslims, Christians and Jews would be free to leave in peace with each other.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by earnestinger »

int_19h wrote: post #826
AlexGrothen wrote: post #757

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>hand-picked cherry-picked, actually 1. Almost exactly the same incident happened in the USA, NYPD sodomized Michael Mineo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Park_alleged_police... None of the NYPD officers didn't have any sentence for this 2. That's an old conspiracy theory, even the Russian opposition (at least the reasonable part of it) doesn't support this theory. There are plenty of publications about it…

Most of Russian opposition does support this theory. Many people do, in general. It's hard to call it a conspiracy theory when they literally caught a couple of FSB guys loading bags of explosives into an apartment building. The official version is that this was a "security training", but c'mon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

> A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that asserts the existence of a conspiracy (generally by powerful sinister groups, often political in motivation),[3][4][5] when other explanations are more probable.

Evidently, different people assign different probability to security chief thinking “while real bombings are actually exploding each week and whole cities sleep outside to avoid death, let’s plant a fake bomb and see what happens”

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by Braxton1980 »

earnestinger wrote: post #891
Braxton1980 wrote: post #614

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it an issue that the Executive is trash talking "they aren't going to obey the courts" ? You think that should be ignored?

Parent poster is not saying it should be ignored, parent poster is saying that people should not give-up and repeat “courts can be ignore”. Because if enough people chant that, then it will become a real possibility.

"You are believing the trash talk and allowing it to intimidate you. You are helping them by spreading it and legitimizing it."

I take this as "Just ignore the rhetoric and threats from Republicans because they are empty and you're helping them spread the hate which gets more them support"

>Because if enough people chant that, then it will become a real possibility.

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you provide an example?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by HDThoreaun »

throw310822 wrote: post #892
HDThoreaun wrote: post #767

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they tried to claim that the slogan "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" is genocidal. There is no other meaning. The slogan is a call to kill every single Israeli. That is literally what it means. Where will the israelis be when palestine is free from the river to the see? The hamas charter still to this day calls to kill every single israeli. This is the problem. You yourself dont even know what it…

> The slogan is a call to kill every single Israeli. ... Where will the israelis be when palestine is free from the river to the see? Oh well, this is just unbelievable. So by your logic the Likud platform, where it claims Israeli sovereignty over the whole Palestine ("from the Jordan to the sea") is a call to kill every single Palestinian? So Israel is ruled since thirty years by a genocidal party? And have you deno…

> What if Israel is dissolved and becomes a different state and Jews and Arabs are both unharmed and free to live in it?

What if pigs fly? You know this was the original plan they tried right?

> is Likud, Israel's ruling party, genocidal or not?

I think they probably will be in the future, but right now they could be enacting a genocide and they are not. Hamas is unable to enact a genocide and empirically it really seems like they would do it asap.

> proposal to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip, made by Trump... genocide

Obviously but just like most of the shit he says its just a distraction, not something he actually meant. Not that thats a good thing, it just is what it is.

The problem with the "freedom" desired in the slogan is that it is the freedom to kill every israeli. You can pretend that Hamas wants peace with israel or would be open to a one state solution that gives the jews any amount of power/freedom but we both know that is not true. The same is true of the Israelis with respect to the palestinians. Everyone in this conflict has acted horrendously and nobody has any reason to work with anyone else so it does unfortunately seem to me that at least cultural genocide if not full blown racial genocide will be the eventual resolution here. The big question is which group will the genocider and which the genocidee. I wont lie, the Israeli cultural values align more closely to my own so not so hard for me to pick a side. Of course Id love a peaceful resolution but it really seems impossible to me.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by int_19h »

earnestinger wrote: post #893
int_19h wrote: post #826

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of Russian opposition does support this theory. Many people do, in general. It's hard to call it a conspiracy theory when they literally caught a couple of FSB guys loading bags of explosives into an apartment building. The official version is that this was a "security training", but c'mon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory > A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that asserts the existence of a conspiracy (generally by powerful sinister groups, often political in motivation),[3][4][5] when other explanations are more probable. Evidently, different people assign different probability to security chief thinking “while real bombings are actually exploding each week…

FWIW there was a public opinion poll by Levada back in 2002 about this. 6% said FSB did it, 37% said that there's no clear evidence but they could have done it, and 38% said that it's definitely not the feds.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by liorsbg »

bjourne wrote: post #747
liorsbg wrote: post #689

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Where’s the proof? Facebook agreeing to take down some contents that violates its policies is hardly proof of anything.

The proof is supplied by the article: "Multiple independent sources inside Meta confirmed the authenticity of the information provided by the whistleblowers. The data also show that Meta removed over 90,000 posts to comply with TDRs submitted by the Israeli government in an average of 30 seconds." 90k take-down requests in 18 months is quite a lot.

Proof of takedowns is not proof of algorithm manipulation.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by NoOn3 »

int_19h wrote: post #824
NoOn3 wrote: post #688

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If you are not constantly posting fake and not recieve money from foreign entities you are not being arested at all in Russia. You may get a fine, and that's not always the case.

"Fake" like calling the "special military operation" a war of aggression?

For me, there is not much difference between these names. Anyway, choosing a name doesn't change the actual events... Yes it's not good. But it's bad saying only about war aggression and not saying at all about bloody coup and bloody nationlist crimes.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by NoOn3 »

graemep wrote: post #707
NoOn3 wrote: post #688

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If you are not constantly posting fake and not recieve money from foreign entities you are not being arested at all in Russia. You may get a fine, and that's not always the case.

Claiming people are being funded by "foreign entities" is one of the commonest excuses dictatorships use for persecution. I do not know what the state of free speech in Russia is, but that explanation is not credible.

In today's world, it's all complicated, to tell the truth. If you think very deeply, then with the help of foreign money, if there is a lot of it, you can even destroy the country without doing anything illegal, just paying for advertising and comments with coverage of only facts that are beneficial to you and excluding the unprofitable ones.

People often think that bot farms are only from Russia and China, but on the other side, paid commenters are also used. Unfortunately, it will only get worse with modern AI.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by Retric »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #888
Retric wrote: post #859

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No, they don’t have the same strengths but the net effect is similar.

How can the net effect be similar if the actions aren't?

Their goals are similar. There’s lots of different ways of achieving similar ends. I’ve seen a lot more paid commercials from Israel side, but a lot more posts using Palestine’s side talking points.

Same way you can build a wood or brick home, historically which people chose had a lot to do with local materials.

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