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Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by philipwhiuk »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #880
rayiner wrote: post #42

Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. When I was working in engineering in the early aughts, we mocked the Chinese as being able only to copy American technology. Today, China is competitive with or ahead of America in key technology areas, including nuclear power, AI, EVs, and batteries. We need to anticipate a future where China is equal to America on a per capita basis, but f…

I'll never forget having to SSH into Bejing servers because nobody on that side could fix a problem... (working at a Chinese heavy company for a bit)... I walked away realizing they are still copying the tech (IP theft, etc), but don't understand it nearly as well. The main thing that changed was the time-gaps, and by bypassing safety and other regs/norms, they just get to market first, but with a subpar product, usu…

Europeans can tell the same story about Americans.

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Post by philipwhiuk »

beeflet wrote: post #783
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #239

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'The dollar might be weakened in the future so we must immediately blow it and our entire deeply thought out, researched, and supported policy since the 1940s up to now with no plan all based on a book the President read and hope things work out better than what might have happened sometime in the future (but that there were no signs was happening soon)'.

The dollar will be weakened in the future. Is there any doubt about it? We cannot continue operating in this post-war regime when the conditions for the post-war regime have been dismantled. I have rarely ever aligned with this president, but it is clear that we need to bring manufacturing home if we are going to have any future.

It's almost like the Biden CHIPS act was designed to do that in a non-stupid way.

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Post by blacklion »

iamacyborg wrote: post #726
blacklion wrote: post #497

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I've read, that now GW have more than 50% of revenue from licensing IP, not selling books & plastic.

Licensing is about 10%, nowhere near 50. https://assets.ctfassets.net/ost7hseic9hc/1alE9DriNd0GJq1SYK...

Oh, thank you, I should not trust videobloggers when it is possible to check primary documentation.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by philipwhiuk »

chrisco255 wrote: post #343
JSR_FDED wrote: post #4

It’s like people excited about the new datacenter being built in their town, think of all the jobs that will bring they cry. Nobody realizes it takes 6 people to run a datacenter. Bringing “manufacturing back to the US” is a fool’s errand. The future of manufacturing is automation, not jobs.

Tesla's factories have a ton of automation, but the factory here in Austin employs 22K+ people. Automation will no doubt increase, but that just means the value humans provide is higher level and managing, maintaining, and redesigning the assembly lines as market demands and product categories shift. Datacenters are nothing like factories. Meanwhile, if it ever gets to the point that automation has truly replaced hum…

> There's no good argument against it

"I don't need 1000 pairs of shoes"

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Post by dharmab »

wkat4242 wrote: post #863
dharmab wrote: post #689

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My group is 3D printing most of our stuff for beer and pretzels games. But official tournaments have a rule where your miniatures have to be official products. Note that a standard printer won't be anywhere near as nice quality as official models. You need a resin printer for that, which requires ventilation, some basic PPE, and additional labor to clean and cure the prints correctly. Not something you want to do wit…

Yes I know, resin printing is not great, I don't like it myself either. But FDM printing has gotten a lot better, especially with the bambulab material switcher where you can use water-dissolvable support material. But cool to hear you're printing them. I can imagine they don't want to allow it at official tournament to protect the golden goose :)

Yeah, we have a couple of Bambus, but the detail on these miniatures is physically smaller than the extruder. So print resolution holds us back a bit.

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Post by vixen99 »

profsummergig wrote: post #305
rayiner wrote: post #42

Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. When I was working in engineering in the early aughts, we mocked the Chinese as being able only to copy American technology. Today, China is competitive with or ahead of America in key technology areas, including nuclear power, AI, EVs, and batteries. We need to anticipate a future where China is equal to America on a per capita basis, but f…

> Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. I blame Peter Zeihan for this kind of thinking. His views are immensely popular in the very powerful and influential circles. And he constantly derides China's capabilities. Since 2014 he's been saying it's going to collapse any day now. He still says it.

As does Gordon Chang "The Coming Collapse of China" (2001)

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Post by Wheaties466 »

rayiner wrote: post #42

Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. When I was working in engineering in the early aughts, we mocked the Chinese as being able only to copy American technology. Today, China is competitive with or ahead of America in key technology areas, including nuclear power, AI, EVs, and batteries. We need to anticipate a future where China is equal to America on a per capita basis, but f…

I'm genuinely asking this out of curiosity and a bit of naivety — are there as many international students pursuing advanced degrees in China as there are in the U.S.? I don't know the answer and would love to hear from folks who do.

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Post by vixen99 »

ezst wrote: post #435
philg_jr wrote: post #318

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Not with immigration.

Don't worry, Republicans are hard at work making the USA a pariah state and turning away the educated migrants who've been behind most of the innovation and research of past decades.

What, non-migrant Americans are not up to it?

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Post by Workaccount2 »

yellowapple wrote: post #675
myrmidon wrote: post #171

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> Fishing is less profitable for the whole UK than Warhammer. This sounded completely insane to me. I tried to look up numbers and found that Games Workshop brings in > 0.5 billion in revenue (!!), compared to all of UKs fisheries at 1 billion-ish (profit margins are, as you'd expect, pretty favorable for the plastic figurines that they don' even paint for you). Thanks for this interesting fact.

The UK ain't alone in that either. California's agricultural sector is one of the largest in the world (let alone in the US) in terms of revenue and output, in many cases providing most/all of national and even global supplies of various fruits, vegetables, and nuts. Virtually all American almonds and broccoli, 90% or more of American dates and avocados, top producer of peaches and dairy products, the list goes on. A…

This is so key to understand because it illuminates how not every job is equal in raw value.

You cannot have a drying rack manufacturer in the US that pays a bunch of workers $35/hr. There simply is not enough value in drying racks to achieve this.

This is what is lost on the populist crowd. They compare themselves to high value workers (i.e. workers that produce a lot of raw economic value per hour), and then want to legislate that low value work pays on the same order.

To put that into simple terms, they want to make it so that producing a single $20 bill per hours pays them $30 an hour. No matter what, that isn't going to work out well.

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Post by mrWiz »

wkat4242 wrote: post #866
mapt wrote: post #833

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Resin prints are production quality, but a messy/toxic process. We need a resin printer tuned for mass production of tiny pieces, just like belt FDM printers are tuned for mass production. FDM prints are either slow or have obvious layer lines or both. If you're painting it maybe that doesn't matter.

Resin is also slow (probably slower per mm^3 than FDM depending on nozzle size), but speed doesn't really matter IMO. But yeah with a high detail 0.2mm nozzle (0.1mm extrusions size) it does tend to get pretty slow. Layer lines are a factor of orientation a lot (you want to have steep angles, not very shallow ones). I have several printers and I ususually have something "in the oven" while I WFH (my job is not relate…

One advantage of resin is that it takes a fixed amount of time per layer no matter the size of the layer. FDM time obviously increases linearly depending on the amount of material to deposit. So a resin printer will take the same amount of time to produce a single figure or as many figures will fit into its print area.
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