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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Could all of this have been avoided if USA voters had been given a slice of USA's GDP growth over the years? Rising wages, lower taxes, or 35 hour work weeks, instead of stagnation and inflation. So they wouldn't turn to a populist outsider.

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If you're one of the US allies in Asia, feeling threatened by China, what do you conclude from this? This looks like a major strategic blunder.

I’m from the Philippines and there are already talks of concerns regarding our mutual defense treaty with the US.

Taiwan is just above us and for sure can be easily sucked into a war.

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#893

They're both clearly bought. Why else would you have the cameras in there for that long, and act that way in front of said cameras. I'd hate to be Rubio or anyone else trying to actually do their job. It stopped being a Red/Blue issue after the polls closed, this is a issue for the country as a whole.

Is it just like extensive child molestation tapes by donald trump by k-/gb, stroking his ego, a lifetime guarantee of russian indulgence and young russian escorts? Proof of him sexually abusing his daughter? I just don't get it.

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post #888

If you're one of the US allies in Asia, feeling threatened by China, what do you conclude from this? This looks like a major strategic blunder.

At this point, it seems like considering yourself a "US ally" is a strategic blunder. There's no reason to expect any sort of loyalty based on shared interests or collective security; I don't even think it's purely transaction at this point, because the entire pretense of the meeting with Zelensky was a demand for an absolutely absurd deal on mineral rights[0]. US foreign policy seems to be just as much about ego as anything else, and if you're not sufficiently deferential, it doesn't matter what you bring to the table.

[0]: $500 billion in minerals, which is around seven times the value of all of the aid given to Ukraine so far: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/20/stop-criticisi...

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They're both clearly bought. Why else would you have the cameras in there for that long, and act that way in front of said cameras. I'd hate to be Rubio or anyone else trying to actually do their job. It stopped being a Red/Blue issue after the polls closed, this is a issue for the country as a whole.

The democratic system of checks-and-balances of USA needs to act to contain the Trump individual. After all the current USA government system is not a dictature and thus Trump is not supposed to have dictatorial powers.

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When I look back at it, Dugin was right back in November: "So we have won. That is decisive. The world will be never ever like before. Globalists have lost their final combat. The future is finally open. I am really happy." https://x.com/AGDugin/status/1854136340184490282 Dugin wasn’t exaggerating when he said, “We have won.” Today’s White House display is exactly what he meant. A decade ago, the GOP would’ve never e…

They (Russia) have lost big time, because their goal was total annexation of the country in a couple of weeks. Now they got a unified Europe and Ukraine which is much stronger. Finland in NATO, and other things not to their liking. Not to mention a bunch of young and old people going back from front and causing chaos.

It is funny how they switched their narrative from “we are fighting US and NATO” to “US will do business with us and the war is with Ukraine”.

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#897
Media reporting on this feels extremely misleading if you actually watched the full clip. Zelenskiy remains remarkably calm throughout the entire ordeal.

Things only really get "angry" when JD Vance tries to provoke him only for him to calmy respond and be cut off immediately by Trump as soon as he hints at the US not being immune to physical risks from adversaries just because there's a body of water around it. Trump then goes completely off the rails saying things like "you don't get to dictate to us how we feel" or some nonsense like that.

It seems that the line he crossed was suggesting that the US is a part of geopolitics, not just an immortal observer with the option to intervene and participate as they see fit with no risk of consequences. This wasn't a disagreement over Russia, this was a disagreement over American isolationism and the mirage of American invulnerability that I thought had been disproven at least since 9/11.

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Bit of a tangent, but I wondered if anyone here is particularly into the serious business of foreign affairs/international relations, and can recommend a primer -- or even a curriculum -- for someone wanting to become more knowledgeable about the field. As with anything, I suspect one is better able to appreciate the ramifications of events of this sort with a more nuanced and informed perspective.

Historian Timothy Snider has some lectures online and wrote some great books. I’m reading his book Bloodlands now. Then there is Anne Applebaum.

But this is a wide topic, I suppose various biographies would help. Older books could help, e.g. “Prince” is old but a classic.

You could also lookup reading lists in best known universities under political science and international relations.

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#900

What is actually the projected end-game of people who support this war? It's been three years and ukraine has struggled to make any significant progress at retaking its territory. It should be clear by now that they can't return to their 2014 or even 2022 borders unless the countries backing them become directly involved in a potentially apocalyptic war against Russia, and I haven't seen anybody who wants that, not e…

If the west crank up things already happening - stopping Russia's oil trade and blowing it it's refineries etc - it would probably get so weak economically that it couldn't really continue the war. At that point you could make a deal, or maybe the Russian government would change or decide it has better things to do.

The trouble with just signing a piece of paper is Putin tends to just ignore those.

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