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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by reverendsteveii »

venatiodecorus wrote: post #772
reverendsteveii wrote: post #679

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Question: how do you think the US government post-9/11 would respond if they actually didn't know who belonged to these drones and they were less than an hour from Washington DC (given a flight speed of 200mph https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/325_kmh_while_ukra... )? Would they pussyfoot around for a week, then blow smoke up our asses about it or would they immediately eliminate the threat and then blow smok…

yeah they shot down a friggin weather balloon with a JET, but nothing to worry about with these? they definitely know what they are and they're fine with it. field testing new drone based surveillance systems?

https://njbmagazine.com/njb-news-now/cargo-drones-to-deliver...

Not even as nefarious as that I don't think. The NJ and NY port authorities have an existing agreement as of Feb 2024 to allow for experimentation and buildout of drone-based last mile delivery systems. I think this is all a case of lazy/sensationalist journalists realizing that if they report "mystery drones" they get to write multiple content-free articles that will generate a lot of attention but if they do the investigative work they'll find a boring answer that costs them attention. Journalism in America being an industry that converts your attention into money.

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Post by staticman2 »

carabiner wrote: post #737
_djo_ wrote: post #525

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Such people are idiots, to be blunt.

I know. Some people have REALLY gotten into it though: > I'm a professional videographer by trade. I filmed these things for 6 hours last week. High native ISO, tripod, 400mm lens, new camera model. No one here will believe me (especially those who have not witnessed this first hand) but they mimic planes when filmed. With my naked eye they are more abstract. Some where as close as 100ft to me. Then once they are wit…

That's a good guess.

Human eyes also have blind spots called Scotomas- our brains do some sort of calculation to make us not notice the fact our eyes have blind spots. I imagine if your brain is wired to do the calculation "wrong" in this scenario you end up seeing things differently than a camera would.

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Post by lxgr »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #860
lxgr wrote: post #326

While I do believe that whatever is happening will largely be explained by selective attention and confirmation bias, here is at least one instance of a drone sighting on the final approach path to JFK over a landing airplane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQiSkTVeN78

At 2,500 ft that is definitely no civilian drone.

Why not? Technically it's possible, and while consumer drones often have altitude (above ground) limits, I wouldn't be surprised if these can be modded out.

So I think that's the most likely explanation – surely the US military would not have their drones fly around in an active final approach path of a major civilian airport...? And if it was a foreign military, I really hope that the US wouldn't be as casual about it.

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Post by jf22 »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #655
next_xibalba wrote: post #627

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Or they will end up in situation that in most cases will end in their death. Which seems so obvious that they must be suicidal. Law enforcement can bring far more force to bear than a single person can defend against.

HN has so much boot in its mouth. Authority says jump and you guys ask how high.

We are talking about a life and death situation. Preserving my own life in the face of deadly violence is in my self-interest.

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Post by carabiner »

ninininino wrote: post #640
toofy wrote: post #259

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it’s amazing how so many people have seen these truck sized drones but they’ve all somehow failed to get pictures. i can go outside right now in the dark with this phone i’m typing on and get a solid picture of stuff but somehow they keep showing us pictures that look like 1940s era ufo photo blur.

Incorrect, there are dozens or hundreds of video clips showing these drones in both social media and mainstream news.

Why do the drones always look like airplanes?

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Post by partiallypro »

left-struck wrote: post #662
partiallypro wrote: post #82

This is the biggest mass hysteria I can remember. People are sharing video of things that are very obviously airplanes and helicopters. I'm sure there are some drones but that isn't 95%+ of what people are seeing. This is honestly terrifying, because it's baffling people can't determine what is generally regular aircraft (some of these videos are SO obviously planes coming in for a landing, with jet engine noises and…

While your concern is still totally valid, if a civilian mistakes a 747 for a drone and shoots at it with anything but a laser, they’re gonna miss lol. It will probably be out of range in fact. In other words, if you’re within 1km (0.6 miles) of a large passenger jet, you’re absolutely not mistaking it for a drone.

You clearly haven't seen the videos of people that are just clearly observing large passenger jets coming for a landing for a drone. Also, they probably will miss, but that bullet is landing somewhere. A plane coming in for a landing pass was just shot at (and hit) recently in Haiti, so it's not impossible.

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Post by nickisnoble »

dgfitz wrote: post #616

Late to the thread so this will probably get buried. My spouse and I have seen these things flying for __years__ around the northern Baltimore area. They even had patterns. Recently, we have been hearing what sound like Apache helicopters at around the same time at night. This video in this article: https://apnews.com/article/fbi-drones-new-jersey-a978470fa3b... Is 100% __identical__ to what we have been seeing for l…

Which is not far from Aberdeen, where they test a ton of very secret stuff, like nerve gas, ENIAC, agent orange, and LSD, because it's the HQ of ATEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Test_and_Ev...

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Post by fmobus »

itsanaccount wrote: post #851
lupusreal wrote: post #705

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Foreign drones must be above aliens (but no higher I think.) Foreign drones are known to exist, while aliens are just speculative science fiction.

I don't expect you to believe in aliens. I don't tend to believe in much of anything. But when you have multiple whistleblowers giving testimony to congress that UAPs are operated by non-human intelligence, I think keeping aliens as "just speculative science fiction" is factually incorrect. https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/4712445-key-senato...

Human intelligence should be enough to understand what parallax is and how gimbals and IR sensors work.

All those published videos were no less than a psyop to demonstrate weapons system's capabilities - with the implicit brag that there's even more powerful stuff they're not showing.

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Post by autoexec »

reverendsteveii wrote: post #891
venatiodecorus wrote: post #772

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah they shot down a friggin weather balloon with a JET, but nothing to worry about with these? they definitely know what they are and they're fine with it. field testing new drone based surveillance systems?

https://njbmagazine.com/njb-news-now/cargo-drones-to-deliver... Not even as nefarious as that I don't think. The NJ and NY port authorities have an existing agreement as of Feb 2024 to allow for experimentation and buildout of drone-based last mile delivery systems. I think this is all a case of lazy/sensationalist journalists realizing that if they report "mystery drones" they get to write multiple content-free arti…

> The NJ and NY port authorities have an existing agreement as of Feb 2024 to allow for experimentation and buildout of drone-based last mile delivery systems.

And if this were the reason for these particular drones the NJ and NY port authorities don't really have any reason not to just come forward and state as much. You'd think they'd be more than happy to crow about their "innovation hub" and the work they are doing. They've already gone to the trouble of having their Media Relations staff write up the article you cited. Why waste an opportunity certain to have a greater reach now?

Journalists didn't generate this attention, the drones themselves did. The public is genuinely interested and concerned. Journalists may be capitalizing on what the public is already wanting to learn more about, but I don't think they're avoiding investigative work for fear of the public losing interest. There is simply no one they could ask who would be willing to provide them with the truth.

Any journalist who did somehow manage to get the real story would pull the attention from all the other journalists without answers so they've got the incentive, just not the means. All they really can do is repeat what little they are told to a public which has been asking them to give them that information while also pandering to their audience with whatever speculation they think their viewers/readers will want to hear. A large part of journalism in America is entertainment after all. They wont waste this opportunity since they absolutely want attention and money, but they can't take the blame for "content free articles" when no one is willing to provide them with anything but speculation and more questions.

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