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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by thephyber »

trhway wrote: post #424
carabiner wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A disruption in communications can mean only one thing: invasion.

yes. What Russia does currently is probing and testing - what it takes to disrupt all the necessary cables simultaneously to create communication breakdown and a lot of chaos, what resources and time it takes to repair (and thus planning the options on blocking those repair resources, etc.) It takes tanks half-a-day to cross the Baltic states to reach the sea. That is the time Russia wants to buy. Once Russian forces…

Calm down with the fanfic.

RU spent months gathering forces on the UA in Jan, Feb 2022. All the while, the US was publicly telling UA the odds of invasion were high.

Moving atoms at that scale doesn’t happen without lots of visible signs. The border nations already know what to look for.

And some border states have already built barriers at the border with RU, notably Poland.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by nopakos »

toast0 wrote: post #844
nopakos wrote: post #568

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Hey! I woke up at 06:00 to check what was wrong with a service. It turned out, a server in Germany could not reach a server in Finland in the 20" timeout I had set.

You set your timeout in inches? I thought you were all metric over tehre, except for socket drivers which are universally imperial :P

Yes, although miles would be more appropriate! https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by stoperaticless »

aerzen wrote: post #666
stoperaticless wrote: post #551

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These broke cables have not affected daily lives (possibly ISPs had extra work though)

How did you reach the conclusion it was not an inside job? Or an intentional israeli delay so the response was "justified"? I'm not being snarky, but from what I gather, Isreal could have prevented that.

What?

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by Terr_ »

coldtea wrote: post #883
Terr_ wrote: post #817

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> Yeah, it's not like a line in the sand, admitted as such by both sides, was broken, one with explicit promises that it wouldn't be. Ah, your oddly-vague wording must of course be referring to how Russia explicitly promised to respect Ukraine's borders [0], a line they are violently crossing as we speak. First with an undeclared guerrilla-war and annexation, and more-recently with a massive "surprise" invasion--afte…

> Ah, your oddly-vague wording must of course be referring to how Russia explicitly promised to respect Ukraine's borders After it was itself promised NATO wont expand eastwards and Ukraine will not be used to get their bases next to its borders. Not really strange how they broken this agreement after 30 years of broken promises, sanctions, open threats, an orange coup in their neighbor, among other things. But sure,…

Oh look, exactly what I predicted in advance: A self-serving lie from the Kremlin, which relies heavily on your refusal to provide any form of evidence. In particular, the kind of written details which any nation (including the USSR) would have insisted upon getting in triplicate, for the kind of important thing you claim existed.

Also, why haven't you paid me the $50,000 you promised, you disgraceful deadbeat? You say you don't remember it? It doesn't matter if I can't provide any kind of document or recording that would be standard for that kind of thing, it must have happened--or else why would I keep bringing it up?

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by coldtea »

inopinatus wrote: post #888
coldtea wrote: post #875

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> Listening to people who probably proclaim themselves "anti-imperialists" give full-throated defenses of imperialism never gets old. Yeah, nothing like nato when it comes to anti-imperialism...

The entire matter of NATO expansion is irrelevant, a dancing monkey to distract the credulous.

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by dgfitz »

leovingi wrote: post #507
gitaarik wrote: post #504

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Why would cables close to each other break?

because if it's an accident and someone is dragging an anchor behind them, if the cables are only meters apart then they are going to cut both

Are they?

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by coffeebeqn »

oneshtein wrote: post #822
nkrisc wrote: post #707

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What non-NATO European country are they going to invade (and hold!) as a bargaining chip? Any how many of those tanks go straight to Ukraine? Do you think Russia can afford to stockpile tanks (and everything else necessary) for several years for an invasion of Europe while simultaneously engaged in the their current war in Ukraine?

Slovakia or Hungary, for example.

They are both in NATO

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by libertine »

johnisgood wrote: post #873
libertine wrote: post #867

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Wrong. It all began when President Yanukovych rejected an agreement he promised to sign with the EU ( which was, and is, a public document with known the terms ) in exchange for a deal with Russia, of unknown terms and vague promises, and framed with threats. This was a 180 turn that led to the Maidan Revolution and the impeachment of the president. It was the decision of the President against the will of the majorit…

> After the 2014 Ukrainian Revolution and the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych, a divide between pro-European and pro-Russian factions in Ukraine became more pronounced. > In the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, many residents harbored pro-Russian sentiments due to historical, linguistic, and cultural ties to Russia. > Following Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014, separatist groups in Donetsk and Luha…

> After the 2014 Ukrainian Revolution and the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych, a divide between pro-European and pro-Russian factions in Ukraine became more pronounced.

This is a broad irrelevant statement. The signing of the EU Association Agreement was part of Yanukovych's campaign, and Ukrainians elected him. The "pro-russia factions" is a Russian construction.

A small fraction of the Ukrainians might have disagreed with the impeachment, but it was THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS in the parliament that impeached the president - BY MAJORITY VOTE[0]. So the elected deputies did what they believed was in the interest of those who elected them.

That's democracy, and Ukraine is a democracy. Those who were unhappy could change their vote to elect other deputies on the following elections.

No Ukrainians wanted their families killed, and cities occupied and razed by Russia.

That's yet again, another Russian narrative spin, along with the "Ukrainians don't have agency/will of its own" implication.

> In the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, many residents harbored pro-Russian sentiments due to historical, linguistic, and cultural ties to Russia.

Ukraine was a former soviet state, where many Ukrainians have family in both Ukraine and Russia. I don't get the point you're trying to make from "sentiments" to a war of occupation with +1.000.000 casualties, 10.000.000 refugees, +25.000 kidnapped children.

> Following Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014, separatist groups in Donetsk and Luhansk, supported by local pro-Russian factions, declared independence from Ukraine.

Yes, there was a theatrical display of claims of independence, and Russia did some more of it in 2022 with the "referendums" of occupied territory - which of course no sovereign country recognized, except for Syria, and North Korea. What's your point here and why do you stand with Syria and North Korea in these recognitions?

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So, overall those statements are decontextualized, rendering some of them wrong or irrelevant/misleading. If you were trying to make some point here, I don't see it, just confirms what I said before.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_Ukraine

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