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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by thiagoharry »

altvali wrote: post #865
thiagoharry wrote: post #861

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> The US has been the the only major country sanctioning Cuba for a decade and a half Which is enough, as the US controls the emission of dollars, have monopolies over several technologies and, as it extends the sanctions even to the ships that trade in Cuba, disallowing them to enter in US, on practice it difficult trades between Cuba and any other country. > It doesn't explain why Cuba needs to import 70-80% of the…

I'm not educated on the subject. Why can't Cuba import the fertilizer and build the machines? There are open source blueprints, like the Global Village Construction Set.

Cuba is an island with very little natural resources. Therefore, to build almost anything, it needs to buy it from other countries. The sanctions makes everything coming from outside much more expensive. And to buy things, they need money (dollar, or some other international currency). They can get it only in the few areas where they can be internationally competitive (as any imported product is much more expensive to them, they will not be competitive in most industries): tourism, offering medical services and selling cigars.

As they have fewer baskets to place their eggs, they are much more succetible to crisis: a blow in one economical activity generates crisis that affects a lot all other areas. For example, one of the causes for the current crisis is the pandemics that dropped their tourism to zero for 2 years. Now they have much less to invest, affecting all economical activities.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Yawrehto »

wordsinaline wrote: post #69
vundercind wrote: post #27

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A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

I would still hold a grudge. I hold historical grudges going back centuries.

Sometimes I want to but it's hard when every European country has tried to kill you. (Maybe there's one that was good to Jews, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't, for the simple reason that all the Jews would go there then, and the countries all the Jews went to, Spain and then Poland, then tried to kill us.) I don't want to have a grudge against a continent.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Yawrehto »

chmod775 wrote: post #153
vundercind wrote: post #27

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A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

> A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges They should've learned from the French making sure there's nobody left to hold a grudge.

...are you seriously arguing for genocide?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by pyuser583 »

pembrook wrote: post #852
seydor wrote: post #729

In southern europe we call this "Brain drain". It's a global phenomenon it seems, freedom of movement leads to contentration of productive forces to a few global cities, while the rest of the planet is increasingly deserted

What's happening in Cuba has no resemblance to what happens in Southern Europe. In Southern Europe, talent leaves for better job opportunities and higher salary. In Cuba, people are literally fleeing to achieve basic human rights and 21st century quality of life. I'm not sure if you've been to Cuba before, but having visited in the late 2010s, it's a caricature of life in a communist dictatorship. Internet wasn't all…

I’ve known some very recent Cuban immigrants. They have a lot in common with economic migrants.

Plenty of folks get started working for the state industry or university. Then they hop on a plane to America via Canada and claim citizenship.

I’m confident there are still traditional political refugees, but they coexist with “company men” wanting more pay.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Scoundreller »

Aunche wrote: post #827
mfru wrote: post #760

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> After spending a couple weeks in Cuba it’s not hard to see why. Which is the consequence of being sanctioned into oblivion for decades by the global hegemon, much to the dislike of the entire rest of the world.

The US has been the the only major country sanctioning Cuba for a decade and a half, but the economy has only gotten worse. Sanctions may explain why they has lagged behind in tech. It doesn't explain why Cuba needs to import 70-80% of their food despite being a fertile tropical paradise. https://www.wfpusa.org/countries/cuba/#:~:text=Cuba%20import... .

The US excluding otherwise Visa Waiver Program (VWP), aka ESTA, eligible citizens from using VWP if they have visited Cuba since since 2021 is probably bad news for Cuba.

Bad news for citizens of these countries that would have visited Cuba if they also want to visit USA and don’t want to bother with US visas:

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-...

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Post by chaorace »

kwere wrote: post #873
chaorace wrote: post #819

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Many are arguing the case for the net economic value of immigrant labor which I agree is a fairly compelling case. I'd like to offer an alternate avenue of attack, however: population trends. Without immigration, U.S. population growth would be well below replacement rate. This is a growing problem throughout the entire developed world with no fair answers -- increasingly, it looks as though the next several decades…

>Without immigration, U.S. population growth would be well below replacement rate. This is a growing problem throughout the entire developed world with no fair answers We are living in a death cult(ure), we arent reproducing maybe for economic conditions as in most developed countries wages have compressed in real terms and people prefer to have less if none kids than to lower their lifestile below what they were bor…

And how would you say that these two solutions are incompatible? How does delaying the replacement rate issue with immigration prevent solving the core problem, or are you just advocating for accelerationism?

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Post by underlipton »

brigadier132 wrote: post #602
dantondwa wrote: post #152

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Sorry, but I don’t think families who escaped in those times were exactly just innocent property owners.

Many were. My grandfather was just a doctor that owned a townhouse. My mom had her toy bear's head ripped off by customs as she was leaving to check she wasn't smuggling gold out of the country. My grandfather was completely uninvolved in the war, like the vast majority of Cubans. Castro promised everyone that Cuba would become a democracy. Stopped buying the leftist propaganda you've been fed. You have 10% of a coun…

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Post by dennis_jeeves2 »

mattmaroon wrote: post #730
seydor wrote: post #729

In southern europe we call this "Brain drain". It's a global phenomenon it seems, freedom of movement leads to contentration of productive forces to a few global cities, while the rest of the planet is increasingly deserted

Doesn’t brain drain imply the smarter people are moving? I’m not sure that’s what’s happening here. I think it’s anyone who can get out. When I was in Havana our AirBnB was next to the Spanish embassy. There was a long line every morning of potential emigres waiting for their turn. (I have no idea how the process works when they get to the front of the line, I just was told they were trying to get out of the country…

>Doesn’t brain drain imply the smarter people are moving? I’m not sure that’s what’s happening here. >I think it’s anyone who can get out.

Anyone who can get out is one of the minor definitions of being smart.

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Post by cardanome »

krvajal wrote: post #888
cardanome wrote: post #848

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> It doesn't explain why Cuba needs to import 70-80% of their food despite being a fertile tropical paradise. There have been famine and starvation before the communists took power. I don't think Cuba has ever been fully food self-sufficient. Not many countries are. Not to mention agriculture needs access to fertilizers which the sanctions make harder to get. The more important part from your source: > The largest is…

what food basket are you talking about? that thing only exists in the news. in reality why dystopian reality you live in? Cuba better than Haiti??? You are reading to many fake news. Cubans are travelling to Haiti to buy food and medicine. Cuban healthcare good? You are joking right? If you need surgery have to bring your own equipment, including chirurgical globes and syringes. You have to either buy it in the black…

I have lived in Cuba for one and a half years and have studied there. The education system is in same aspects superior than the one in my home country, Germany.

I have visited schools and the education level of the vastly higher. The knowledge of the children greatly impressed me. In fact you could talk the average person on the street about complicated issues regarding history, philosophy and economy. Many where even multi-lingual.

It is true that Cuba has trouble getting some medical equipment due to the sanctions but she also has a for a small island impressive pharmaceutical industry. There is a great medication for diabetics that would save many lives if it were allowed to be exported in the US. Not to mention having developed their own covid vaccine.

You are probably living in a exile-Cuban bubble.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by onetimeusename »

pton_xd wrote: post #172
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

I am opposed to legal immigration of skilled workers. My reason is because it causes what Peter Turchin called elite overproduction. We have too many highly credentialed people who fight over who gets entrance to our top schools and who monopolize the highest ranked high schools. Immigrants have more social and income mobility than natives. I would argue that the professional class has become increasingly isolated and contemptuous of non-elite citizens as they continue to grow in size and monopolize elite positions. For example, our top schools seem to mostly be the children of immigrants or immigrants themselves. Those schools feed into the most elite business and government positions giving those people disproportionate power.

The reasons for inviting them I think are a combination of disingenuous or outdated. The arguments about economic survival or humanitarian reasons just don't seem true to me anymore but that's a separate point.

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