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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by logifail »

prepend wrote: post #730
duxup wrote: post #694

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very strange that this would leak into a product limitation to me. I played with Gemini for maybe 10 minutes and I could tell there was clearly some very strange ideas about DEI forced into the tool. It seemed there was a clear "hard coded" ratio of various racial / background required as far as the output it showed me. Or maybe more accurately it had to include specific backgrounds based on how people looked, a…

It does seem really strange that the tool refuses specific backgrounds. So if I am trying to make a city scene in Singapore and want all Asians in the background, the tool refuses? On what grounds? This seems pretty non-functional and while I applaud, I guess, the idea that somehow this is more fair it seems like the legitimate uses for needing specific demographic backgrounds in an image outweigh racists trying to m…

> This seems pretty non-functional and while I applaud, I guess, the idea that somehow this is more fair

Fair to whom?

> racists trying to make an uberimage

It's a catastrophically flawed assumption that racism only happens in one direction.

> if I am trying to make a city scene in Singapore

I'm on a flight to Singapore right now, I'll report back :)

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by swat535 »

JohnMakin wrote: post #742
multicast wrote: post #501

We live in times were non-problems are turned into problems. Simple responses should be generated truthfully. Truth which is present in today's data. Most software engineers and CEOs are white and male, almost all US rappers are black and male, most childminder and nurses are female from all kinds of races. If you want the person to be of another race or sex, add it to the prompt. If you want a software engineer from…

I'm sure people with this take will be totally happy at the "historically accurate" pictures of Jesus then (he would not have been white and blue eyed)

The iconography of Christ varies greatly all over the world as He is deemed both divine and human. If you walk in any Church you will see His varies depictions and Christians are well aware of this. I am not sure what is the point you are trying to make with this?

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by butterNaN »

mrtksn wrote: post #4

For context: There was an outcry in social media after Gemini refused to generate images of white people, leading deeply inaccurate in historic sense images being generated. Though the issue might be more nuanced than the mainstream narrative, it had some hilarious examples. Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it. Here are some popular examples: https://dropover.cloud/7fd7ba

I feel like maybe only one or two of these are actually "wrong" but can be easily fixed with prompts. The outrage seems excessive

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by logifail »

gnicholas wrote: post #723
pram wrote: post #711

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has spent thousands of dollars on the OpenAI API I’m not even bothering with Gemini stuff anymore. It seems to spend more time telling me what it REFUSES to do than actually doing the thing. It’s not worth the trouble. They’re late and the product is worse, and useless in some cases. Not a great look.

I would be pretty annoyed if I were paying for Gemini Pro/Ultra/whatever and it was feeding me historically-inaccurate images and injecting words into my prompts instead of just creating what I asked for. I wouldn't mind a checkbox I could select to make it give diversity-enriched output.

> I wouldn't mind a checkbox I could select to make it give diversity-enriched output

(Genuine question) how would one propose to diversity-enrich (historical) data?

Somehow I'm reminded of a quote from my daughter who once told me that she wanted a unicorn for her 5th birthday .. "A real one, that can fly".

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by FormerBandmate »

pram wrote: post #711
logicalmonster wrote: post #596

Personally speaking, this is a blaring neon warning sign of institutional rot within Google where shrieking concerns about DEI have surpassed a focus on quality results. Investors in Google (of which I am NOT one) should consider if this is the mark of a company on the upswing or downslide. If the focus of Google's technology is identity rather than reality, it is inevitable that they will be surpassed.

As someone who has spent thousands of dollars on the OpenAI API I’m not even bothering with Gemini stuff anymore. It seems to spend more time telling me what it REFUSES to do than actually doing the thing. It’s not worth the trouble. They’re late and the product is worse, and useless in some cases. Not a great look.

This is the general problem with AI safety, it babysits the user. AI is literally just computers, no one babysits Word

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by Jensson »

orand wrote: post #734
Osiris wrote: post #468

My suggestion is just to treat this like Safe Search. Have an options button. Add a diversity option that is on by default. Allow users to turn it off.

This is an ideological belief system which is on by default. Who should get to decide which ideology is on by default? And is having an option to turn that off sufficient to justify having one be the default? And once that has been normalized, do we allow different countries to demand different defaults, possibly with no off switch?

You already have a safe search toggle, never been an issue from what I've seen.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by dekhn »

hnburnsy wrote: post #594

Google in 2013... https://web.archive.org/web/20130924061952/www.google.com/ex... >The beliefs and preferences of those who work at Google, as well as the opinions of the general public, do not determine or impact our search results. Individual citizens and public interest groups do periodically urge us to remove particular links or otherwise adjust search results. Although Google reserves the right to address such r…

The search quality engineers and leadership who maintained that philosophy have moved on to other roles by now.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

butterNaN wrote: post #893
mrtksn wrote: post #4

For context: There was an outcry in social media after Gemini refused to generate images of white people, leading deeply inaccurate in historic sense images being generated. Though the issue might be more nuanced than the mainstream narrative, it had some hilarious examples. Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it. Here are some popular examples: https://dropover.cloud/7fd7ba

I feel like maybe only one or two of these are actually "wrong" but can be easily fixed with prompts. The outrage seems excessive

> but can be easily fixed with prompts.

That's just it, though.

They can't be. If you specifically ask for a "white pope", Gemini refuses and essentially tells you that asking for a white person is offensive and racist.

Ask for a black/Native American/Asian/Indian/etc Pope, and it will make one. Ask for just a "Pope" with no race specified, and you'll get a random race and never a white one. Ask for a white Pope, it tells you it can't do that.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by FooBarBizBazz »

logifail wrote: post #891
prepend wrote: post #730

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem really strange that the tool refuses specific backgrounds. So if I am trying to make a city scene in Singapore and want all Asians in the background, the tool refuses? On what grounds? This seems pretty non-functional and while I applaud, I guess, the idea that somehow this is more fair it seems like the legitimate uses for needing specific demographic backgrounds in an image outweigh racists trying to m…

> This seems pretty non-functional and while I applaud, I guess, the idea that somehow this is more fair Fair to whom ? > racists trying to make an uberimage It's a catastrophically flawed assumption that racism only happens in one direction. > if I am trying to make a city scene in Singapore I'm on a flight to Singapore right now, I'll report back :)

> :)

An entrepot of the British Empire with as much diversity as New York City if not more.

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