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Re: Sora: Creating video from text

#891

Does anyone else feel a sense of doom from these advancements? I'm definitely not a Luddite, I've been working professionally as a programmer for quite some time now, but I just can't shake this feeling. And this is not in the "I might lose my job to this" kind of feeling, that's obviously there, but it's something deeper, more sinister. I don't think I can explain it properly. Anyway, videos look incredible. I genui…

For me, it's my kid. He's just turned three. He had just turned two when GPT4 was announced.

Going back generations, my grandparents' lives were virtually identical to my great grandparents'. My parents grew up with radio, but they were adults by the time TV changed their world. All three generations got the bulk of their information from books and newsprint.

I grew up together with computers. I remember riding that exponential wave of tech like a surfer. From Commodore 64 to a laptop with 64GB of memory, a million-to-one ratio. Tetris to Doom Eternal. Dialup modem to gigabit... in a mobile device that fits in my pocket.

All of this took decades, but now changes like this happen in months.

I keep thinking that "this tech will change my kid's childhood", but what "this" is, is already outdated and being replaced in a blink of an eye, and he hasn't even reached that point yet where he'd notice!

When image generators were first released... what... a year ago... I thought: Wow! One day, when my kid is a little older, I'll be able to use this to create illustrations for stories we make up as we go along! Won't that be great!

I still haven't gotten around to that yet, he's still too young to appreciate that, and anyway, with this Sora I'll be able to create video instead by the time he's old enough!

I keep trying to imagine what his life will be like when he grows up to be a teenager, but realistically I'm having a hard time predicting what will already be outdated by the time he's four.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

#892
Genuinely impressive.

I've always been a digital stills guy, and dabbled in video.. as a hobby. As a hobbyist, I always found the hardest thing is making something worth looking at. I don't see AI displacing the pleasure of the art for a hobbyist.

My next guess is the 80/20% or 95/5% problem is gonna be stuff like dialogue matching audio and mouth/face motion.

I do see this kind of stuff killing the stock images / media illustrator / b-roll footage / etc jobs.

Could a content mill pump out plausibly decent Netflix video series given this tool and a couple half decent writers.. maybe? Then again it may be the perpetual "5 years away". There's a wide gap between generating filler content & producing something people choose to watch willingly for entertainment.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

#893
post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

Wish I could go back in time and tell myself to not bother learning how to do any of this stuff the old fashioned way.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

#894
post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, whose existence and names we will never know or acknowledge. The way these models are creative is the same way humans are. The artist that painted Mona Lisa didn't credit any of the influences and inspirations that they had. Just as cameras made many artists redundant, so too will every other new tool, and not just artist but pretty much every job. But there are still p…

Artists do credit their teachers (Verrocchio in the case of da Vinci), schools, sources of inspiration and influences, so I'm confused by this comment.

What kind of acknowledgement did you have in mind?

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

#895
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My AI idea: Civil war as a service (CWaaS) Prompt: poll worker sneakily taking ballots labeled , and throwing them in the trash.

You realize how easy it is to do that with actors, right?

It's not easy to do that with actors. It costs money, you need to get props, find a location, schedule the shoot, etc. People who lose their minds over petty grievances will sober up long before their video is produced.

With AI video generation you could produce multiple videos per day, each one customized to be highly targeted for a local market. Actors can be generated to represent a local minority that is villainized by politicians and the clothing and set customized for the locale.

Then you can automate posting it all over social media with fake AI generated discussions calling for a revolution. Even if the video gets flagged as fake, you can upload a thousand more. As a bonus, add comments along the lines of "of course THEY want you to think this is fake! Don't be fooled!" in order to appeal to the paranoid lunatics who are most likely to get the ball rolling.

In conclusion, I believe this is a solid startup idea. Thank you all for coming.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

#896

This is the harbinger that announces that, as a technologist, the time has come for me to witness more and more things that I cannot understand how they work any more. The cycle has closed and I have now become my father.

My dad is 80 and willingly loves to listen to me explain how neural networks work, then he also read about them, busy beaver functions, kafka, and all kinds of crazy shit I tell him abour. This is all in your mind. You are as young as your mind is.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

#897
Here is my prediction of how this will play out for the entertainment industry in the coming decades:

Phase 1 (we are here now): While generative AI is not good enough to directly produce parts of the final product, it can already be used to quickly prototype styles, stories, designs, moods, etc. A good chunk of the unnamed behind-the-scenes-people will loose their job.

Phase 2: While generative AI is still expensive, the output quality is sufficient to directly produce parts of / the entire final product. Big production outlets will use it to produce AAA titles and blockbusters. Even actors, directors and other high publicity positions will be replaced.

Phase 3: The production cost will sink further until it becomes attainable by smaller studios and indie productions. The already fierce markets will be completely flooded with more and more quantity over quality. Advertisement will not be pre-produced and cut into videos anymore but become very subtle product placements, impossible for ad-blockers to strip from the product.

Phase 4: Once the production cost falls below the price of one copy of the product, we will get completely customized entertainment products tailored to our personal taste. Online communities will emerge which craft skeletons / templates which then are filled out by the personal parameter sets of the consumers. That way you can still share the experience with friends even though everybody experiences a different variation.

Phase 5: As consumers do not hit any production limits any more (e.g. binge watch their favorite series ad infinitum) and the product becomes optimized to be maximally addictive by measuring their reaction to it, it will become impossible for most human beings to resist. The entertainment mania will reach its peak and social isolation, health issues and economic factors will bring down the human reproduction rate to basically zero.

Phase 6: Human civilization collapsed within one or two generations and the only survivors will be extremely technology-adverse people by selection. AGI might have happened in the meantime but did not have the time to gracefully take over and remodel the human infrastructure to become self sufficient. Instead a strict religion will rule the lands and the dark ages begin anew.

Note that none of this is new, it is just the continuation and intensification of already existing trends. This is also not AGI doomerism as it does not involve a malicious AGI gone rouge or anything like that. It is simply what happens when human nature meets powerful technology.

TLDR: While I love the technology I can only see very negative long-term outcomes from this.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

#898
This is machine simulated art. It is not a convincing simulation to videographers, yet it pleases software architects and other non-visual artists. Aptitude for visual art making provokes envy in some who lack it. The drive to simulate art is almost as common as the desire to be recognized as a capable visual artist. The most interesting generative art I’ve seen does not attempt verisimilitude. Children want their art to look real. Verisimilitude is hard, especially for children and quasi AI.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

#899

This is the harbinger that announces that, as a technologist, the time has come for me to witness more and more things that I cannot understand how they work any more. The cycle has closed and I have now become my father.

Thanks for putting this into words. Its a very off-putting feeling for me, and couldn’t exactly figure out what that feeling was. It both scares me and excites me in a way that only makes me subconsciously anxious. Time to deep dive before I become what I always feared, which is being technologically left behind.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

#900
post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

I feel like a lot of that frustration comes from seeing "arts and culture" as the pinnacle of anything when maybe it's just an overvalued side-effect of human wiring to avoid boredom.

Imho. it's just really hard to reason that average non-educational entertainment has a positive net effect on global society.

Seeing it this way makes it way less surprising that "art" and "creative entertainment" is one of the first things that gets hit by automation.

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