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At the moment this thread is the third most highly voted ever on HN.

1. (6015) Stephen Hawking dying

2. (5771) Apple's letter related to the San Bernardino case

3. (4629) Sam Altman getting fired from OpenAI (this thread)

4. (4338) Apple's page about Steve Jobs dying

5. (4310) Bram Moolenaar dying

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Pure speculation and just trying to connect dots... I wonder if they realized they are losing a lot of money on ChatGPT Plus subscriptions. Sam tweeted about pausing sign-ups just a few days ago: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1724626002595471740 Lots more signups recently + OpenAI losing $X for each user = Accelerating losses the board wasn't aware of ?

I had an email from openai last night saying I now have to credit up front for api usage, rather than paying at the end of the month. Thought it was a bit odd for user paying like $3 a month for embeddings. Then looked at the news.

I think they have cash issues. Can’t get more uses due to lack of gpu, and current users are costing too much.

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Ilya booted him https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725702501435941294

Jeremy Howard called ngmi on OpenAI during the Vanishing Gradients podcast yesterday, and Ilya has probably been thinking the same: LLM is a dead-end and not the path to AGI. https://twitter.com/HamelHusain/status/1725655686913392933

Nonsense really

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At the moment this thread is the third most highly voted ever on HN. 1. (6015) Stephen Hawking dying 2. (5771) Apple's letter related to the San Bernardino case 3. (4629) Sam Altman getting fired from OpenAI (this thread) 4. (4338) Apple's page about Steve Jobs dying 5. (4310) Bram Moolenaar dying https://hn.algolia.com/

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Greg Brockman sharing the timeline on Twitter: https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725736242137182594?s=46&t=Nn...

Reading that thread made me realise how low the signal to noise ratio is over on twitter.

90% of the replies scrolling down were rehashed versions of "can't believe they used Google meet"

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For me, this stood out in the announcement: > In a statement, the board of directors said: “OpenAI was deliberately structured to advance our mission: to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all humanity. The board remains fully committed to serving this mission. Why would they include that? Maybe its just filler, but if not then it is possible that there has been more than a simple disagreement about…

Arent they a couple of percent away from being owned by Microsoft? MS owning them would make them a benefit to Microsoft only at which point they would become nothing more than a corpse murdered to fuel that profit machine and it’s existing software.

Microsoft only own minor share of their "for profit" subsidiary. The way OpenAI structured it's would be basically impossible for Microsoft to increase their 49% share without Non-profit board approval.

Most likely their share is this high is to guarantee no other company will compete for the share or IP. OpenAI non-profit also excluded anything that will be considered "AGI" from deal with Microsoft.

https://openai.com/our-structure

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Somehow I get the vibe this is all about: Let's advance this tech as much as possible - (outgoing ceo) and Let's worry more about "safety" (the rest of the board).

If that is the case I don't predict good things for the (not at all) OpenAI. Judging by the numbers of users and how slow Gpt4 often gets I think they are being heavily subsidised by Microsoft in terms of hardware and all this money will expect to generate a payback sooner or later. Then the inevitable enshittification of OpenAI services will ensue.

We got a taste of it recently. Yes, they announced price drops and new functionality, but in my subjective experience Gpt4 with web/python execution environment access seems an inferior model with some extra tools thrown in to mask it.

The very first question I asked it after the change I knew it can answer from it's training data, but it immediately went for the Web found some crappy docs site and quoted it verbatim when it's previous responses were much better.

I started prepending my prompts with "don't search online, consider the topic carefully in your mind step by step" and it got somewhat better. A day or so later there was no need to prepending this (I haven't set it as customisation) it seems certain knobs were turned behind the scenes and gpt4 became closer to it's previous version.

It still often does peculiar things such as writes python code to grep a file given to it despite the file fitting in the enlarged context etc

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