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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Well, Apple generally has so much info about your every step people stopped caring a long time ago.

I think you are talking about Google, not Apple.

No, both of them actually. Don't trust them too much.

This calls out some soft spots that were exposed during the Hong Kong riots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ9LR8homt4

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Only one kernel and scheduler for all the containers, that doesn't have a lot to do if most of the processes are idle. And I am not your bro.

Your whole argument is containers will not occupy CPU or I/O. Which is not true, you’re running a full fledged VM, not just a kernel. And presumably the person running k8s is probably not running them to have them idle. They are technically knowledgeable enough to be aware how much resources do they consume, and be excited for such comparison.

A linux VM with only a kubernetes/docker with most workloads idling doesn't use a lot of resources, except memory, probably less than the typical open browser tab full of unoptimized js.

When you have kubernetes on your laptop, that is to test your code alongside a set of other microservices functionnally representative of a prod deployment. That doesn't mean your containers will have much load appart from your own punctual testing.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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> I feel very disappointed that the laptops lack decent i/o. They spend all this time talking about how advanced the GPU is, but it's a $1,600 laptop that can only power one external display or a 2,000 laptop that can only power two displays? yep. powering 2+ screens on a mac is not a straightforward process. for the prices Apple is charging on their "pro" machines, it should be simple to plug in 2 or even more scree…

Genuinely curious: what is your workflow that it requires more than 2 external monitors? Pro video?

One screen for intellij, one screen for tests, one screen for browser or email, for instance

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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One thing that left me a bit confused was the comparison against Intel Macs. Although I am still using an Intel 16-inch MacBook, I really wanted to see how the M3 fared against the M2, not Intel and M1. I think it's no surprise the M3 exceeds the Intel Core i7-9750H in basically all of Apple's own benchmarking. My real question, which will probably be answered next week, is how it compares to the generation right bef…

I imagine the amount of people upgrading from an M2 Mac will be close to 0, while there's a lot of Intel stragglers out there.

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Intel straggler here. My laptop just completed 5 years. It says battery needs replacing which I’ve been putting off for a year. The thing is I have 32G which is quite good IMO so I’ll probably use it for two years at least.

You're just hurting yourself. Even the M1 Pro is like 3x faster than that Intel laptop. Plus so many tiny things like sleep/wake, power management, heat.. I really can't stress enough what a tectonic change the M1 was over Intel.

I've got an M1 mini already, so it's good to have the Intel MBP around for occasional x86-only stuff. Built-in USB-A is also convenient.

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They have solved this though by periodically introducing incompatible macOS updates, so that eventually you can no longer install the current macOS and then after a while you won't be able to install latest version of applications and you start to feel stronger need to upgrade...

Six year OS support, plus security updates past that.

Not as long as Windows support but still good enough.

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I imagine the amount of people upgrading from an M2 Mac will be close to 0, while there's a lot of Intel stragglers out there.

Intel straggler here ! When M1 hit I was certain I would get a M Apple in a year or two when they iron out the transition. It was just leaps and bounds ahead of others and the pricing was great. Now I think AMD and Intel caught up enough, Apple didn't keep the momentum, and they do standard Apple pricing discrimination - I think I'll take a gamble on Framework AMD version. I really like the idea behind the self-repai…

Wasn't AMD pretty much right behind in single thread perf and a bit behind in peak perf TPU, but always ahead in multi-core perf options?

I'm very happy with my Ryzen 7 6800U.

Matte screen? Check.

Lots of full perf cores? Check.

USB A and C? Check.

Really good battery even though I'm plugged in all the time? Check.

X86-64? Check.

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I'm wondering now if Apple tracks this sort of stuff in their released machines. I know my iPad always asks me if I want to send stats to Apple (and I always say no). So let's say that enough people do, then do they have a good idea of how often all the performance cores are used? Max memory B/W consumed? Stuff like that. Back when I was at Intel there were always interesting tradeoffs between available silicon/therm…

> asks me if I want to send stats to Apple (and I always say no) so you like them enough to pay them thousands for the premium product, but not enough to tell them how much CPU you use?

I have no idea what information they’re collecting on me, and it seems very few people do (given that nobody was able to answer the above question).

Could be “how much CPU does this user use?” but could also be “when prompted with a notification that a user’s iCloud backup storage is low, how long did they hesitate on the prompt before dismissing? How can we increase their odds of upgrading?”

Also, my willingness to provide information does not correlate to how much I “like” a company’s products. If I buy a sandwich from a deli, and they ask for my email for their newsletter or something, I won’t give it. That doesn’t mean I don’t like their company or their sandwich. Could be the best sandwich in the world, they don’t need my email.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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No. It's nowhere near as powerful as desktop Nvidia cards. It's about as powerful as a PS5.

I'd be impressed if it was as powerful as a ps5.

The PS5 gets around 10.28 teraflops, while the M1 Max, from two years ago, was getting about 10.4.

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"The industry’s first 3-nanometer chips for a personal computer debut a next-generation GPU architecture and deliver dramatic performance improvements, a faster CPU and Neural Engine, and support for more unified memory" This reads horribly in my opinion

That's Apple's hyping as usual. Apparently the improvements are not that "dramatic" when you look at numbers, at least not any more than M1->M2.

I'm not interested in the content, it's the readability of the sentence
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