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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by 876978095789789 »

T-A wrote: post #2

> GPT4 gave the correct answer in 1/10th the time it would take Priya and cost a lot less. [...] Priya has tried to learn coding, but she has struggled. Not that she gets a lot of time to do it either. 1) Show Priya how to use GPT4 to do her current job in 1/10th of the time. 2) Let her use part (50%+) of the time saved to learn coding or whatever other skill she needs (not sure coding is it).

> 2) Let her use part (50%+) of the time saved to learn coding or whatever other skill she needs (not sure coding is it).

People are still pushing this meme on HN, even after GPT-4?

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Post by kbelder »

agentultra wrote: post #623
goodluckchuck wrote: post #602

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Capitalism is not an economic system, it is a description of fundamental economics. Countries can have a highly regulated form of capitalism where trade and ownership is strictly controlled… and they’re often called socialist or communist, or a laissez faire system. However, so long as people are using land, buildings structures, designing equipment… the laws of capitalism will apply.

Capitalism isn’t a fundamental law like the speed of light or thermodynamics. We can use other systems that suit our goals better. Even if it’s a better form of capitalism than what we’re dealing with now. This post-monetarist form of capitalism is killing people and this planet and enriching but a few. That’s not the kind of society most people want. A matter of time before there are enough have-nots and upheaval be…

Not like the speed of light, but similar to thermodynamics. It arises statistically from complexity.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by tekknik »

__pache__ wrote: post #751
HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

??? What else can we do, save for reward merit and performance? Sorry technology made the horse obsolete, but uh, that's good .. performance goes up, potential to show merit goes up

> technology made the horse obsolete

it did not, there are plenty of situations in which technology is less preferred to a horse (or mule), like say climbing everest or various other difficult terrains. it did reduce the amount of working horses though

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by safety1st »

akra wrote: post #854
safety1st wrote: post #146

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As any student who takes Econ 101, or reads history, (or has heard of a country called Argentina? or has opened a newspaper during the past year of post-Covid inflation?) will learn, this assumption is factually incorrect. If you give everyone ten million dollars, there will be a phenomenal and rapid increase in the price of goods, especially consumer staples (since everyone got that money, and everyone buys staples)…

The problem is often technology becomes a barrier to entry especially when it requires scale to operate. AI is the extreme example of this kind of technology - needs large compute, and large amounts of data, and requires a actor with enough capital to create it. In effect a lot of modern technology has helped create monopolies.

The barriers to entry definitely exist, but is it the technology itself that creates them, or is it the intellectual property laws we've adopted? Capital is a barrier but it's far from an insurmountable one -- there's plenty of capital floating around in the world. As a thought experiment imagine what the tech industry might look like if the US introduced some form of compulsory licensing for software (for patents? for copyrighted source code?) like what exists for music.

Natural monopolies certainly exist in sectors of the economy like public utilities, but I don't think they are so strong in tech.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by __pache__ »

tekknik wrote: post #894
__pache__ wrote: post #751

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??? What else can we do, save for reward merit and performance? Sorry technology made the horse obsolete, but uh, that's good .. performance goes up, potential to show merit goes up

> technology made the horse obsolete it did not, there are plenty of situations in which technology is less preferred to a horse (or mule), like say climbing everest or various other difficult terrains. it did reduce the amount of working horses though

Yes it did.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

famahar wrote: post #706
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #679

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> The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. I would go fucking insane if I didn’t have a purpose. Jobs are necessary part of life.

You haven't found a fulfilling purpose outside of a job then. There was a period in my life where I didn't need to work for a year. I spent it reading books, supporting my friends, exploring my city on bike, learning an instrument, and creating art (which I would show at monthly events). It was way more fulfilling than any job I've had.

Sometimes I get this feeling that most people here are not actually interested in tech, it is just a paycheck. Difference is that I would do my job even if I wasn’t paid anything at all.

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Post by gls2ro »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #44

It looks like those who love LLMs (which I do) are forcing themselves to come up with narratives that mitigate the proposed negative effects. I have a different suggestion. It’s likely it is real and painful and sad. Transitions are hard, disruptive and can often cause very real and negative problems, but they are unavoidable and historically technology brings humanity to a better place in the long run. That reminder…

> Transitions are hard, disruptive and can often cause very real and negative problems, but they are unavoidable and historically technology brings humanity to a better place in the long run.

First: Why does it have to be that way? Is it maybe because that the top does always impose the costs of disruption to the bottom?

Second: Now that we have AI that seems capable to do this kind of disruption can we kindly ask AI to do this transition smoother?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

breck wrote: post #672
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #664

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We haven’t come up with a better system.

Yes: open source. Open source has proved itself to be vastly superior to closed source development models. It does not generate obscene wealth disparities though—and some see that as a bug.

WTF is open source economics?

Or you just mean that you don’t want programmers to make money?

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Post by tekknik »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #641
vc8f6vVV wrote: post #463

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What do you consider as "productive"? Look at animals in a zoo, do they look productive to you? They have "a universal basic income", they simply don't need to be productive. Humans, just like animals, are productive when they are trying to achieve something (catch food, find mates, and for social animals to establish their position in a society which leads to food, mates etc.). E.g. you are developing OSS -- ask you…

> Look at animals in a zoo, do they look productive to you? They have "a universal basic income", they simply don't need to be productive. They are also functionally in a prison...

So is all of humanity, we call them jobs and debt. Almost all of those animals lives would be considered luxury by human standards. No worries about food, a safe place to sleep, or predators.
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