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Re: The day Windows died

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Post by leonroy »

zargon wrote: post #381
herbst wrote: post #365

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I've only ever had second hand ThinkPad T series laptops and a brand new 2015 MBP. The MBP had by far the most hardware issues of any devices I ever had (second screen only on power, running hot enough to cook on it, battery life was mediocre from the start, ...). Every single ThinkPad I ever owned is still ready in my drawer. My ~15yo T420 still has like 6 hours battery life and works like a charm The build quality…

True of older ThinkPads but Lenovo seems to have finally broken them. My current T14s Gen 3 AMD has modern standby problems. Fails to resume from sleep about once a week. Trying to get Lenovo to do something about it.

Is that under Windows or Linux?

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by JohnBooty »

javajosh wrote: post #756
JohnBooty wrote: post #755

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Interesting mental gymnastics. Calling for more empathy is... the same as not having empathy?

Calling for more empathy has nothing to do with empathy. It has to do with status.

You can have your own opinions, but at this point you're just inventing your own definitions for these terms and unfortunately no useful discussion is possible.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by zargon »

leonroy wrote: post #891
zargon wrote: post #381

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True of older ThinkPads but Lenovo seems to have finally broken them. My current T14s Gen 3 AMD has modern standby problems. Fails to resume from sleep about once a week. Trying to get Lenovo to do something about it.

Is that under Windows or Linux?

Windows. I haven't tried installing Linux yet because I wanted to make sure it works with the factory OS first. Other people have issues with GPU drivers in Linux. There's also the issue of the removal of the S3 sleep option in the uefi.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by WorldMaker »

kjellsbells wrote: post #858
WorldMaker wrote: post #844

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> I see a lot of people celebrating Windows 95 as a high point, and it isn't really a surprise - that was one of the last times that Windows had to genuinely attempt to compete economically for their OS share. I think it has a lot more to do with nostalgia goggles. Windows 95 still had a lot of the same cruft on install. It really wanted you to sign up for an MSN dial-up account to use the bundled IE to browse MSN.co…

One difference is that in the late 90s, Microsoft themselves offered a non-crufty alternative. NT4 was pretty solid and feee of distractions and fluff, but at the cost of requiring better hardware and not always playing nicely with others (eg drivers). Tbh, it reminds me of Linux: when Win11 finally drives professional users crazy, it seems to be linux that they turn to, and linux on the desktop is about the level of…

NT4 wasn't consumer friendly at all and just about no consumers used NT4. This is a bit like saying "well at least Microsoft offers an LTSC branch of Win11, I'm so thankful they have a version without all the cruft" (which is certainly still true today, though even more than NT4 the LTSC branch of Windows is impossible to get outside of professional environments).

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by tonymet »

masswerk wrote: post #95
tonymet wrote: post #11

I’m not a big fan of these features and i turn them off right away. MS is going to where the consumers are. anyone under 30 will expect this content . imagine a 20 year old using windows 2k and the only real apps are notepad and ms paint . We give companies too much blame for providing consumers what they want. MS could do a better job with transparency and control of these features. But i don’t believe the blame is…

Haven't we already handed over phones for this? And, if you really want a phone, well, there are phones for this… (No need to put an end to computers. Why would you even transition to a computer to watch TikTok?)

Yes and that means desktops are competing with phones for attention / time spent. So i would expect even more content & apps to show up on the desktop

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by tonymet »

danparsonson wrote: post #175
tonymet wrote: post #11

I’m not a big fan of these features and i turn them off right away. MS is going to where the consumers are. anyone under 30 will expect this content . imagine a 20 year old using windows 2k and the only real apps are notepad and ms paint . We give companies too much blame for providing consumers what they want. MS could do a better job with transparency and control of these features. But i don’t believe the blame is…

I used Win2k in my early 20s and was very happy with it.

Me too and it is still the all-time best OS

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by tonymet »

burnished wrote: post #181
tonymet wrote: post #11

I’m not a big fan of these features and i turn them off right away. MS is going to where the consumers are. anyone under 30 will expect this content . imagine a 20 year old using windows 2k and the only real apps are notepad and ms paint . We give companies too much blame for providing consumers what they want. MS could do a better job with transparency and control of these features. But i don’t believe the blame is…

Who wants this?

Presumably the consumers who are showing up in the engagement metrics for these applications on Windows 11

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by kjellsbells »

WorldMaker wrote: post #894
kjellsbells wrote: post #858

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One difference is that in the late 90s, Microsoft themselves offered a non-crufty alternative. NT4 was pretty solid and feee of distractions and fluff, but at the cost of requiring better hardware and not always playing nicely with others (eg drivers). Tbh, it reminds me of Linux: when Win11 finally drives professional users crazy, it seems to be linux that they turn to, and linux on the desktop is about the level of…

NT4 wasn't consumer friendly at all and just about no consumers used NT4. This is a bit like saying "well at least Microsoft offers an LTSC branch of Win11, I'm so thankful they have a version without all the cruft" (which is certainly still true today, though even more than NT4 the LTSC branch of Windows is impossible to get outside of professional environments).

You're reading an assertion where non exists. I didnt say everything was fine, nor that NT4 was for consumers.

My point was that in contrast to today, where consumers have windows, and pro users are turning to non-windows alternatives, in the late 90s Microsoft themselves provided the pro user alternative.

Perhaps Microsoft intend LTSC to be that pro alternative, but as you say, thats not available to everyone.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by nanno_ »

zeknife wrote: post #763
zefalt wrote: post #737

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Just leaving some links here since not everyone is aware. You can restore the Windows 11 Taskbar to a more normal state. First, remove the Win11 changes with ExplorerPatcher. Then, install openshell. It's unfortunate how much the windows ui has degraded. https://pureinfotech.com/restore-taskbar-location-windows-11... https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

Given my experience with debloating w10 you're probably setting yourself up for misery when a mandatory update inevitably conflicts with whatever workarounds you've been using

You are right. Yesterday my Windows 11 'explorer patch' (ungroup taskbar) broke the UI which was flickering and not able to do much except open task manager.

Had to boot to restore menu, uninstall update, remove explorer patch, reinstall updates. Incredibly frustrating and not worth it for me.

On the topic: i feel the same after having bought a laptop with windows 11. Usability has regressed and you get less control in terms of customization. The ads and bloatware feel so cheap as well. Thankfully i only have to run it for gaming and ubuntu for everything else

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by leonroy »

zargon wrote: post #893
leonroy wrote: post #891

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Is that under Windows or Linux?

Windows. I haven't tried installing Linux yet because I wanted to make sure it works with the factory OS first. Other people have issues with GPU drivers in Linux. There's also the issue of the removal of the S3 sleep option in the uefi.

Yeah there are at least two known issues with it under Linux:

Display flickering if you have the low power LCD: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Fedora/Random-screen-flickering...

Microphone is very quiet: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Other-Linux-Discussions/T14s-Ge...

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