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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by jmnicolas »

luckylion wrote: post #868
mightybyte wrote: post #811

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> especially when you're a freelancer I think that's the big qualifier here. The productivity paying off the price is only meaningful if your time and money are arbitrarily fungible for each other, and for most people they are not. There's a good chance they won't be able to find a way to convert that saved time into the corresponding $20+ needed to pay the bill. And if finances are tight, $20/month might be a deal b…

But for anyone in IT or related fields? $20/month feels like a nobrainer if you're in the West. It's like paying for Jetbrains IDEs. I'm a bumbling idiot writing Symfony and Wordpress code and PHPStorm is 150 Euros a year. It probably increases my productivity by that much per day . If ChatGPT saves you more than 60 seconds a day, or makes you work more comfortable, it's easily worth $20.

> $20/month feels like a nobrainer if you're in the West.

I earn 2000€ per month as a C# dev in France, (assuming $1 == 1€) I just need a hundred subscriptions like that to have no money left at the end of the month. While I'll admit a 100 subs is a bit much, it's very easy to have 10 or 15.

> If ChatGPT saves you more than 60 seconds a day

Even if it saved me 4 hours a day I wouldn't be paid more.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by mightybyte »

luckylion wrote: post #868
mightybyte wrote: post #811

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> especially when you're a freelancer I think that's the big qualifier here. The productivity paying off the price is only meaningful if your time and money are arbitrarily fungible for each other, and for most people they are not. There's a good chance they won't be able to find a way to convert that saved time into the corresponding $20+ needed to pay the bill. And if finances are tight, $20/month might be a deal b…

But for anyone in IT or related fields? $20/month feels like a nobrainer if you're in the West. It's like paying for Jetbrains IDEs. I'm a bumbling idiot writing Symfony and Wordpress code and PHPStorm is 150 Euros a year. It probably increases my productivity by that much per day . If ChatGPT saves you more than 60 seconds a day, or makes you work more comfortable, it's easily worth $20.

> But for anyone in IT or related fields? $20/month feels like a nobrainer if you're in the West.

Yes, I definitely hear you. If you're living well within your means then sure. But on the other hand, a shocking number of Americans don't live within their means and are strapped with credit card debt. In those situations even a small number of instances of this kind of "oh, it's just $20 / month" reasoning start to add up.

> It probably increases my productivity by that much per day.

Again, this doesn't matter if you're on the edge of cash flow positivity and can't actually turn that productivity into dollars. Your employer isn't going to pay you $20 / month more because they can't measure your productivity with that much granularity.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by nicolapcweek94 »

luckylion wrote: post #868
mightybyte wrote: post #811

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> especially when you're a freelancer I think that's the big qualifier here. The productivity paying off the price is only meaningful if your time and money are arbitrarily fungible for each other, and for most people they are not. There's a good chance they won't be able to find a way to convert that saved time into the corresponding $20+ needed to pay the bill. And if finances are tight, $20/month might be a deal b…

But for anyone in IT or related fields? $20/month feels like a nobrainer if you're in the West. It's like paying for Jetbrains IDEs. I'm a bumbling idiot writing Symfony and Wordpress code and PHPStorm is 150 Euros a year. It probably increases my productivity by that much per day . If ChatGPT saves you more than 60 seconds a day, or makes you work more comfortable, it's easily worth $20.

Everything is relative. I'm in IT - in fact in a decently high paying and relevant part of it, being a devops specialist - in the West (in Italy) and I make ~1700 euros a month, and this is with 10 years of experience in the sector. I'm not getting ripped off, this is by far the highest salary I've had and I make about as much as my parents do after working for 45 years.

I still cannot afford, after house, car and living expenses, to spend 20 euros a month for an AI chat app, or 150 a year for an IDE.

For reference, I do most of my work in standard vscode with almost no plugins and/or emacs, depending on what I'm doing, on the company provided dell/windows laptop. The only subscriptions, personal or work, that I pay for are netflix, spotify, xbox game pass, nintendo online and amazon prime - and we're thinking of dropping netflix and spotify lately since they're increasing prices and lowering in value.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by gabaix »

fifafu wrote: post #335
extr wrote: post #107

I've been using ChatGPT pretty consistently during the workday and have found it useful for open ended programming questions, "cleaning up" rough bullet points into a coherent paragraph of text, etc. $20/month useful is questionable though, especially with all the filters. My "in between" solution has been to configure BetterTouchTool (Mac App) with a hotkey for "Transform & Replace Selection with Javascript". This i…

Nice, I'm the developer of BetterTouchTool and I'll definitely use this one myself :-)

I was shown BTT 10 years ago and to this day I still use it. Thank you for making Mac a better place.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by rerx »

jonfw wrote: post #275
Kiro wrote: post #234

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You underestimate how powerful it already is. Have you tried Copilot or coding with ChatGPT? If this is the very first iteration it won't be long before many developers are fully replaced.

This is not the very first iteration. Watson, an LLM, won jeopardy years ago. This stuff has been in progress for a very long time This is a great benchmark, in that it's widely available, user friendly, and competent enough that people are finding new use cases for it. I don't want to take away from how great it is- it is phenomenal, but it's one of many big benchmarks in AI

The Jeopardy winning Watson wasn't a large language model (LLM) as it is understood today. That technology didn't exist at the time. It was more of an expert system.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by HoustonDad »

m3kw9 wrote: post #705
extr wrote: post #107

I've been using ChatGPT pretty consistently during the workday and have found it useful for open ended programming questions, "cleaning up" rough bullet points into a coherent paragraph of text, etc. $20/month useful is questionable though, especially with all the filters. My "in between" solution has been to configure BetterTouchTool (Mac App) with a hotkey for "Transform & Replace Selection with Javascript". This i…

Some reason, this code doesn't work. I cleaned up the 's and have a api key. It says TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'data.choices[0]')

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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by lelanthran »

KronisLV wrote: post #835
lelanthran wrote: post #789

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> Developers will spend $5 on a bagel but not $5 a day for tools, it's pretty wild That's because savings-due-to-tools don't scale but rental does. I can all but guarantee that you're using, daily, some tool that is free. Why aren't you paying $5 a day for it? You've gotten more value out of bash, grep and related tools than IntelliJ is ever worth to you, and yet if I came up to you and said "here, use my replacement…

> I can all but guarantee that you're using, daily, some tool that is free. Why aren't you paying $5 a day for it? Because nobody has been crafty enough to capitalize on that market, or is unable to provide a sufficiently convincing alternative that would attract people to it. For example, I can get by with something like mRemoteNG for tabbed SSH sessions: https://mremoteng.org/ It's kind of quirky but works. Someone…

> For example, I can get by with something like mRemoteNG for tabbed SSH sessions: https://mremoteng.org/

> It's kind of quirky but works. Someone else might appreciate something like the excellent MobaXTerm more, which adds multi-execution capabilities, a GUI for port forwarding and much more: https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/

...

> Someone might laugh, but there's a project out there that attempts to commercially create a terminal replacement: https://www.warp.dev/

But here's the rub - all those people whining about how cheapskate developers are because they don't want to shell out $5/day for ChatGPT/IntelliJ/Whatever aren't deriding people who are not using these paid for replacements.

It's only ever the people using IDEA or Visual Studio or similar who develop superiority complexes over their choice of rentals.

I mean, $5/day to save my employer (not me) 5m/day is a good deal for my employer. I, however, don't get the value of that 5m[1].

[1] Which is why I pay for the IDEA IDE in my personal capacity even though I won't use it at work. Because if they save 5m/day, I get that time saved. Luckily my current (and last three or four) employers had no hesitation in purchasing software we wanted, so I never had to use it at work.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by nickdothutton »

m463 wrote: post #308
ezekg wrote: post #205

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You use it consistently during the workday and it's still not worth $20/mo?

This is one of those puzzling things to me. You own your life - why not spend your own money for the things that make you and your life better? Who cares? I worked at a job where I had a small, crappy monitor. I made decent cash. I just bought a large decent monitor and brought it into work. I ended up using it for many years. My life was significantly better. I've done that at several jobs since then, and NEVER regr…

Greek vs Roman work environment. The Greeks expected the craftsman to show up with his compliment of tools, sharpened and maintained. The Romans provided the bench, tools, and ensured they were sharp each morning before arrival of the worker. Both cultures produced marvels of design and construction.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by welshwelsh »

decremental wrote: post #832
crummy wrote: post #786

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Should the language model treat every political party in every country equally?

Yes. Do you want to use a tool or an automated mouth piece for the regime?

An unbiased tool would never treat two parties completely equally.

If Trump and Biden both claim to have won the election, who should ChatGPT say is president? Should it flip a coin?

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by xbryanx »

tppiotrowski wrote: post #403
m463 wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of those puzzling things to me. You own your life - why not spend your own money for the things that make you and your life better? Who cares? I worked at a job where I had a small, crappy monitor. I made decent cash. I just bought a large decent monitor and brought it into work. I ended up using it for many years. My life was significantly better. I've done that at several jobs since then, and NEVER regr…

You own that monitor. Would you pay $20/month to rent that monitor with the potential for price increases and ads popping up on it occasionally? There's something to "owning" a thing. You can resell it and rent it out, etc. It's an asset. SaaS is not an asset. It's a service.

I would gladly pay $20/mo for a high quality monitor service that randomly stopped by and improved the display on my desk periodically.

Reminds me of the Built to Spill lyric. “It's barely yours on loan What you think you own”

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