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Gave up after 20 seconds waiting for the website to load. Is that supposed to be some retro 90s experience?

Says the one using HNews which looks like it's from the 90's lol

HN loads faster than any website on the internet though.

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"Villain" isn't the word I'd use, but he has been increasingly indulging in gleeful cruelty and childish nonsense, both of which are very off putting. I also admire his car and rocket businesses, but he seems to have gotten sucked deeply into the very online culture war grievance trap in the past few years, to the point that it now seems to be taking up essentially all of his time now. It's really a shame to see.

Gleeful cruelty? Really? That's quite an overstatement for a bit of social media drama.

Real ppl get credible death threats in real life because of his tweets is gleeful cruelty ...

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Or the easier explanation, that Elon has changed. He was my favorite billionaire back when all his prospects related to colonization of Mars and all his investments were aimed at creating new technology. But power can corrupt people, and he seems particularly prone to it. The entire Twitter episode is at odds with everything he did 10 years ago; Mars doesn't need a social network, and he's not innovating anything her…

he basically just bought twitter because he wanted to ban people from making fun of him, every decision he makes is completely personally motivated and has absolutely no bearing on making the website better or reflecting the will of its users at all

And that's exactly my point, that his new decisions seem petty and self-centered, where his old decisions (sinking his significant wealth into risky car and rocket companies and sleeping in the factory instead of buying a Caribbean island and living out his years in paradise) seemed to be more about lofty goals and ambition. Something changed. $40B could have done sooo much more for his previous ambitions; it's a crime to see it wasted like this. If he starts gold-plating his toilets, we'll know he's really gone forever. Thank goodness he wasn't born in the USA.

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> They supposedly have an entire handbook on "managing Elon" for deflecting his weird requests and framing things in a way that doesn't provoke his ire. I heard that too. Is it just a rumour or do we know this is true? And if it's true at SpaceX, is it also true at Tesla?

Regarding your first question, see here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34042340 I see no reason why Tesla would be any different.

Tesla is absolutely the same.

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I worked on the Engineering side of compliance at my last job managing Compliance and Security. As part of going public, part of my job was keeping some executives away from the Auditors. This was not because the Auditors wanted information from them that we didn’t want to share, but because the auditors actually had zero interest in what they had to say. I.e. they did not care about Joe Techbro and his Git front end…

My dad's oldest living friend worked at Koch industries for years. I forget his official title, but they way he describes his role was "I ran interference to keep the brothers from killing each other."

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Do people on HN still believe Elon isn't destroying Twitter?

He's just got his devs to debug the new algorithm live. It's hilarious to see 47882394 people get banned or restricted in some way and every one of them thinks Elon hates them personally.

It's a mess but it's the right idea, a social network cannot be run with either hand curation or self curation. If something destroys Twitter it'll be some place with a better algo.

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> try and salvage their shitty, shitty ideas into workable projects that will end with us publishing. Maybe the university publish or perish system is the real problem, with the egojerks being symptoms?

no; the pathology is independent of social system.

If the pathology is adaptive in the social system, I doubt they’re independent.

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I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

SpaceX has talented people working there despite Elon, not because of him. They supposedly have an entire handbook on "managing Elon" for deflecting his weird requests and framing things in a way that doesn't provoke his ire. They put up with it because they only have so many opportunities to work on space. Twitter has people dependent on their H-1B and very few true believers that are unfit to serve in their role. E…

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That's definitely not what he argues there. It's quite possible for 95% of hate to be mostly unfounded while that person is still worthy of hate. It's just that the existence of haters does not necessarily mean that person is hate-worthy. The different rates and ways that various types of information travels through media (both social and not) and gets distorted by it are fascinating and there's probably been some go…

If my memory serves, Graham would sometimes link to his essay when people criticized Musk. It’s hard for me to check at the moment, as Graham’s Twitter account has been suspended.

As I said, 95% of criticism might by illegitimate while the 5% isn't. Paul could have been linking for the X% of Musk hate that's ill founded based on his personal knowledge of the guy.

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I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

Hey Paul, legitimate question. What actions from Musk would it take for you to stop supporting him?

Becoming poor and powerless I'd bet... Any of us plebs behaving so erratically and cruel wouldn't get support from the like of PG. But the rich sympathies with the rich. So for now Elon is eccentric and smart, not mad and dangerous
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