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Post by Pigalowda »

polygamous_bat wrote: post #834
randomsearch wrote: post #801

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the…

> One aspect of Elon’s actions does not cancel the other out. We should celebrate the good and debate the bad. However, I find it incredibly telling that every time Musk is criticized about his behavior over Twitter, some people cannot but bring up Tesla and SpaceX. Why is that? Do we have to put a disclaimer with every potentially good thing someone has done every time we criticize someone?

I mean you could preface what you want to say with Musk is great, but (MIGB) - just like Mike Judge taught us.

MIGB, what makes musk think he can behave like a spoiled brat and people still keep liking him? He’s had his day in the sun and now he’s just a rich annoying brat.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by m_ke »

polygamous_bat wrote: post #836
bambax wrote: post #819

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The buyers of Tesla are, by and large, rich liberals who care about the climate. Musk proceeds to position himself as a QAnon hack. Owning a Tesla was a source of pride and is now a mark of shame and mockery. The only people who actually do care about Twitter are journalists. Musk proceeds to ban some prominent ones from Twitter, for utterly frivolous reasons, which makes them realize that 1/ they're not immune to th…

One of the hypothesis Matt Levine posits in Money Stuff today [1] is that Tesla is branded as liberal tech, and Elon is engaging in Q-foolery to bring in more right leaning people: "the only car free from the woke mind virus". I don't know how much I believe this theory, but definitely interesting. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-12-15/the-se...

Sounds to me more like Musk is trying to fill in the void left by Trump by creating 24/7 headlines to get people onto the platform.

I'd be willing to bet that the Qanon crowd is also the last set of people who still reliably click on ads and fall for vitality pill scams, so Musk pandering to them makes financial sense.

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Post by jasmer »

pantalaimon wrote: post #71
jasmer wrote: post #37

'New Elon / New Kanye' I think is disillusioning for a lot of people. It's one thing to see a random celebrity or business person lose their marbles, but there was (and continues to be) high hopes for Elon at least with Tesla and Space X. I absolutely understand someone trying to shake things up for PR, but I can't see how he's winning here.

I’m beginning to question whether starship will ever make it to orbit

Exactly this.

We know he's competent on some level, and a BS-er on some level given his bombastic announcements.

But bombast about literally going to Mars are different than bombast about QAnon in terms of credibility and inspiration.

Trump warned Europeans about Russian encroachment but he's cried wolf so many times he has no credibility.

Elon was nothing without the koolaid - I think he's a bit of an imposter - he's 'Iron Man' because they said that in a movie, and, SpaceX was able to stick the landing which gives him insane cred. He could make a million gallons of free koolaid for his staffers.

Smoking dope on YouTube is fully on brand.

Even calling out people on 'free speech' - fair enough.

But he's crossing a lot of lines and it's going to affect his ability to put people on Mars.

I have never had any aspiration to work for him, because I think he's glib - but - I would probably enjoy a tour at either organization, because hey that'd be fun. But now - I wouldn't really want to spend time there.

The Hero->Super Villain story is starting to become a meme.

Nearly all the dudes in the Valley I used to look up to are starting to act like like are a 2-pack-a-day smoker, 3 days after going 'cold turkey': thin skinned, short sighted, angry, arrogant, crude, conspiratorial, cynical, greedy, needlessly cold.

Some of the things they say make me believe they stopped reading books (other than business books) or travelling at age 19 to focus 100% on 'the game', and it's cost them deeply in terms of personal development and perspective.

They are not making the leap to 'Wise Sage Leaders' very well.

I wonder if regular corporate personal development is a better preparation for leading large, mature organizations.

I don't agree with Tim Cook on a lot of things but he definitely seems a league ahead in terms of social maturity than some of the Alpha Dogs of the Valley. Ditto for so many others.

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Post by yyyk »

paulmd wrote: post #712
yyyk wrote: post #312

The underlying issue: Musk's incentives don't give him much reason to care if Twitter goes under. Musk likely feels he might as well push for any changes he likes, and gain whether Twitter survives or not. What was Musk's biggest bugbear about 'old' Twitter? The moderation system. If Twitter goes under, the only practical alternative at the moment is Mastodon, and Mastodon can't replicate Twitter's moderation due to…

> If Twitter goes under, the only practical alternative at the moment is Mastodon WeChat: "am I a joke to you?" Seriously, Zuck wishes he had the kind of daily center-stage that WeChat has in their customers' lives. Totally guarantee that if Twitter officially folded they'd at least make a play and they might well come out on top. WeChat is absolutely the #1 beneficiary of any Twitter collapse scenario - which is one…

>WeChat: "am I a joke to you?"

WeChat is way beyond Twitter. It's nigh an alt-OS. Doesn't really follow (any) Store policy, but allowed due to CCP influence. If it becomes popular in West, West will very likely ban it, maybe based on store policy. If TikTok is problematic, no way WeChat will be allowed.

>mastodon is effectively community moderation. >it's different on a per-pod basis

Exactly. It's not a free-for-all, but being able to operate their own pods and infiltrate others is a preferable state for 'transgressives' than 'old' Twitter. Decentralization is still worth it, but the end result would inevitably allow them some freedom to do shit.

>there is no one single finely detailed moderation policy for you to play games with

Moderation policy was result of Twitter becoming gigantic. I suspect any huge enough instance will have to adopt a policy and reach same impass.

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then expects unquestioning adoration.

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Post by klyrs »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

It's a comfort to me that the Constitution forbids him from running for president.

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Post by richbell »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

Elon Musk is the kid on the playground shouting "time-out" and inventing a new rule every time he's about to get tagged.

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Post by isleyaardvark »

awb wrote: post #753
boomboomsubban wrote: post #204

Someone posted yesterday that the beginning of Musk's Twitter buy happened shortly after elonjet refused his $5000 offer to buy the account. The rational part of me says he surely couldn't have spent $45 billion dollars to shut the account down, but it's kinda feeling more and more true as the story continues. It's like this is the 21st century version of the San Francisco story where Yung refused to sell their house…

> The rational part of me says he surely couldn't have spent $45 billion dollars to shut the account down, but it's kinda feeling more and more true as the story continues. He could have banned the account on day 1, but he tweeted in defense of it. I don’t buy the theory that he had to wait to save face, he seems perfectly content to change his mind and make new rules on the spot without worrying about the backlash.…

I suspect his thinking on the subject, much like his management of Twitter, is simply a mess.

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Post by barbariangrunge »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #204

Someone posted yesterday that the beginning of Musk's Twitter buy happened shortly after elonjet refused his $5000 offer to buy the account. The rational part of me says he surely couldn't have spent $45 billion dollars to shut the account down, but it's kinda feeling more and more true as the story continues. It's like this is the 21st century version of the San Francisco story where Yung refused to sell their house…

> Someone posted yesterday that the beginning of Musk's Twitter buy happened shortly after elonjet refused his $5000 offer to buy the account. The rational part of me says he surely couldn't have spent $45 billion dollars to shut the account down, but it's kinda feeling more and more true as the story continues.

This is hn, not 4Chan

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Post by nabla9 »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

Most of HN completely miss the intent of conventional doxxing rules and widely accepted privacy laws in most countries.

- Public figures, like politicians, top businessmen, and so on don't get the same amount of privacy and protection as regular Joe. You can follow them and track them. If you have power and influence, you don't enjoy the same privacy protections as others. That's a really good principle to have.

- Elon Musk himself is know for punching down that violates this principle. His M.O is to point his crazy followers against regular Joes and then playing innocent. "It was not me".

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