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Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by OJFord »

aussieshibe wrote: post #473
OJFord wrote: post #466

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Exactly, these things are all analogous to eatint something called 'meat pie' to me - Well ok but what is it? I make vegetarian burgers sometimes, either something grilled(broiled)/griddled stacked up like halloumi & aubergine, or a patty of shredded jackfruit or something. Why would I want to eat nondescript 'vegetarian patty'? It's not just burgers, 'vegetarian lasagne' etc. is (aside from not being good appealing…

> what is it? The meat pie is the (unofficial) national dish of Australia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_pie_(Australia_and_New_...

I wasn't referring to that, so apologies if that sounded offensive, I thought I was making something up.

Elsewhere though, unless presented as intending to be a specific thing from down under, 'meat pie' is a lot less appetising than 'steak and kidney pie' or whatever, because who wants mystery meat (implicitly perhaps the cheapest odds and ends available).

Similarly though to be fair 'fish pie' in the UK & France at least is a slightly flexible mixed fish fare.

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Post by x0x0 »

ajmurmann wrote: post #367
SoftTalker wrote: post #298

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Beyond/Incredible meat is awful. There's no other description for it. This highly processed fake meat is not healthy. Just eat meat, or don't if you don't want to. There's no need for this fake garbage.

To each their own. I greatly enjoy the flavor of meat, but feel like a serial killer when I think about the animal suffering and to a lesser extend carbon emissions. While I also get a slightly odd feeling in my stomach from Impossible beef (doesn't happen with their cyber chicken), it's a tradeoff I'm excited to make 1-2 a month to get the flavor of a burger without feeling like I just tortured a puppy.

I, uh, thought that the beyond meat pseudo-ground-beef I ate tasted almost exactly like beef, cooked like beef, looked like beef, etc... just without the killing of a cow. I liked it and will buy it the next time I want ground beef.

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Post by nec4b »

zemvpferreira wrote: post #446
ajmurmann wrote: post #397

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I don't think I'd be surprised. I don't know how to solve that though short of starving myself to death.

Not to say this is your moral prerogative but it's pretty simple: Eat only hand-picked fruit. It's by far the least death-causing food out there and it's offered to you by the tree to eat. I'm not a vegetarian or fruitarian, I don't generally care about animal death or suffering. But if I did that would be my tactic to minimize pain in the system.

But if you pick fruits from trees you are taking away food for some other animals that also eat those fruits.

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Post by wizofaus »

drorco wrote: post #643
wizofaus wrote: post #422

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"fresh vegetables are more expensive since their shelf lives are a lot shorter" Certainly if you have sufficient storage, it's possible to buy meat in bulk quite cheaply, some of which might even be cheaper per kg (or per calorie?) than many vegetables, but if you stick to in-season vegies and cook them sensibly (into dishes that last a while), on average they're still going to be cheaper than meat. Plenty are in the…

I'm no dietitian but how much nutrition there actually is per 1kg of beef compared to 1kg of potatoes/pumpkin/onions, etc.? My sister is vegan, and whenever we have a vegan meal, I'm already hungry 2 hours after the meal. On the other hand, if I eat a burger for lunch, I might not be even hungry by dinner time. Again, I'm not a dietitian so I'm pretty ignorant about these things, but if it has to do with proteins, I…

Certainly meat tends to have much higher fat and protein density, and hence calorific density than vegetables, but the latter invariably have higher carbohydrate content (meat is essentially 0). Multigrain bread can have much the same calorific density as beef, and nuts are often considerably higher (admittedly, they're typically quite pricey per kg, though not more so than quality cuts of meat). I've personally not observed any significant difference in the quantity of food I eat between vegan/ vegetarian/meat-based meals, though I very rarely eat meals that meat makes up more than a small percentage of. It's actually the micronutrients you need to be more aware of if you're on a strictly vegan diet, which are unlikely to make a difference in food cost (e.g. B12 supplements are about $9 for a gram, but that can last you months).

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Post by anikom15 »

gwbas1c wrote: post #32

I married a vegan, and I eat a lot of vegetarian food. (I also still eat plenty of meat, just not every day.) One extremely frustrating aspect of plant meat is that they tried to aggressively push out traditional veggie burgers on restaurant menus. A familiar refrain I've heard in restaurants in the last few years is "we used to have a nice veggie patty, but they replaced it with the beyond/incredible/whatever patty.…

Animals eat really cheaply compared to the produce humans eat. The real reason meat is more expensive than vegetables is simple supply and demand.

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Post by icelancer »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #687
icelancer wrote: post #218

Beyond Meat is a lot worse than Impossible Burger. They're losing to someone in their same vertical who has a superior product. Unless you are a strict vegan, in which case, you can't eat Impossible Burgers. [0] [0]: https://oopsvegan.com/en/blog/is-the-impossible-burger-vegan

That article is trash, so I'll save future readers a click: > soy heme had to undergo animal testing That's it. You have to be that strict a vegan to think it doesn't count.

Trust me, I agree. I just found the first link that explained it more or less. I am the furthest thing from vegan and I couldn't care less, but wanted to produce some source on why Impossible Meat is not technically vegan certified. Whatever that is.

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Post by oxfordmale »

oxfordmale wrote: post #640
gwbas1c wrote: post #32

I married a vegan, and I eat a lot of vegetarian food. (I also still eat plenty of meat, just not every day.) One extremely frustrating aspect of plant meat is that they tried to aggressively push out traditional veggie burgers on restaurant menus. A familiar refrain I've heard in restaurants in the last few years is "we used to have a nice veggie patty, but they replaced it with the beyond/incredible/whatever patty.…

Beyond the taste, most Beyond Meat meals also tend to contain more calories than the meat-based equivalent. I am better off to eat an occasional burger when I fancy it, and go for more healthy vegetarian dishes on other days.

I am talking about meals. It may not be the fault of Beyond Meat, rather the restaurant adding more condiments on top of a Beyond Meat burger.

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Post by oxfordmale »

oxfordmale wrote: post #640
gwbas1c wrote: post #32

I married a vegan, and I eat a lot of vegetarian food. (I also still eat plenty of meat, just not every day.) One extremely frustrating aspect of plant meat is that they tried to aggressively push out traditional veggie burgers on restaurant menus. A familiar refrain I've heard in restaurants in the last few years is "we used to have a nice veggie patty, but they replaced it with the beyond/incredible/whatever patty.…

Beyond the taste, most Beyond Meat meals also tend to contain more calories than the meat-based equivalent. I am better off to eat an occasional burger when I fancy it, and go for more healthy vegetarian dishes on other days.

Actually:

One Beyond Burger has 260 calories. There are claims that these are healthier alternatives to beef, but to what end? Calories is certainly not it because this is compared to 230 calories in a same size beef patty.

https://bluebirdprovisions.co/blogs/news/beyond-meat-vs-beef....

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Post by valarauko »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #600
JohnFen wrote: post #175

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And, honestly, as a meat-eater I really enjoy certain veggie patties. It's not meat, but it shouldn't be. They're their own delicious thing. When I'm in the mood for a veggie burger, I don't want a hamburger. Restaurants shouldn't replace veggie patties with imitation meat -- they should have both.

The thing some vegetarians do not understand is that traditional cuisine from all over the World is basically 90% vegetarian, because poor people had to survive too. I'm Italian, I could eat vegetarian meals everyday for a month without ever eating the same thing twice. Same goes for all of Europe, Asia, Middle East, Africa or South America. Vegetable dishes are the foundation of every established culinary tradition.…

> The thing some vegetarians do not understand is that traditional cuisine from all over the World is basically 90% vegetarian, because poor people had to survive too.

You're saying that vegetarians don't know this?

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