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Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by smcl »

tenpies wrote: post #751
rchaud wrote: post #294

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Influencers and hustlebros will pay that, celebrities won't. If the celebrities leave, Twitter dies.

I can imagine the exchange between Stephen King and his agent: > "Stephen, I'm trying to market your books, but the publishers aren't seeing any engagement on Twitter". > "Oh I left because I don't want to pay $20 / month to someone I disagree with politically." > "Have you been hitting the bottle again?" End of conversation. The value most of these celebrities get vastly exceeds $20 / month. The Twitter-celebrity re…

I think you're overestimating the value of Twitter to Stephen King - who has been famous far longer than Twitter has been around. Taking a dig at his past alcoholism was a bit of a cheap shot, especially since he's been sober for decades by now

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by smcl »

phpisthebest wrote: post #501
minimaxir wrote: post #5

The price 100% was $20/mo as previously reported by journalists until Twitter dunked on it, and Elon's interpretation of the backlash is "the price is too high" and not "any price makes no sense at all." This pricing clarification is most likely due to Stephen King's complaint: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587312517679878144 > We need to pay the bills somehow! Twitter cannot rely entirely on advertisers. How…

if you only proof the price was $20 is because "journalists" reported it as so then I question your ability to critical think and judge facts because "journalists" report false things every day all day there is little to no evidence it was ever really $20, and even less evidence that Elon's mind was changed by Stephen King of all people... Who care what Stephen King thinks? More likely it was always going to be $8

This "5d chess" stuff is approaching the level of faith that qanon followers have - nothing is ever wrong, everything is always going according to The Plan, when it deviates it's because The Plan has changed and you weren't informed, Hillary was arrested and sent to gitmo but unfortunately she was cloned, etc, etc.

Look, he's spitballing ideas and playing it a little fast and loose. It may pay off, it might not - it looks a little stupid to some of us on account of how much he's paid for the company, but it shouldn't really surprise anyone and he doesn't need anyone making excuses for him.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by yoelo »

As much as I don't like Musk, I think there is a good proposition for the YouTube-model of paying for an ad-free experience. However, aside that YouTube is a place with much better content, YouTube costs ~$5/monthly and is actually ad-free instead of half ad-free. How one can think this is a good idea is beyond me

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by jevgeni »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #655
pkulak wrote: post #454

Elon is the PM from hell. Has some shower thought and starts throwing tickets on everyone's board 45 minutes later. This is why the Model X has those silly doors.

How do you reconcile that view with Elon's successful ventures, e.g. the other Tesla's, Starlink, and SpaceX?

Massive gov subsidies.

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-201...

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by jevgeni »

jstummbillig wrote: post #885
sharkjacobs wrote: post #661

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I'm not OP but I think that they said that Elon sounds like a bad PM to work under, not that he's unsuccessful at developing and marketing products

Considering they used "shower thoughts" to devalue the idea before factoring in Elons incredible track record (by company/capitalist metrics, no personal judgement required), I feel that you are being very generous towards OP.

Don't confuse overheated valuations with business success.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by amrocha »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #813
freejazz wrote: post #389

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Do you not know who Steven King is? It's certainly easier to google him than to come up with a take like this in response.

Yes I do know who Steven King is. Even famous authors need to spend a lot of money on advertising when they publish a new book, and twitter certainly helps here. Also, HN has a rule against asking people whether they've read the article. Asking people whether they know who some famous person is, is obnoxious in the same way.

Saying Steven King, one of the most successful authors in the world, needs Twitter to market his books is a such an insane take that it warrants asking if you have any idea what you're talking about imo

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by [deleted] »

amrocha wrote: post #896
amadeuspagel wrote: post #813

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Yes I do know who Steven King is. Even famous authors need to spend a lot of money on advertising when they publish a new book, and twitter certainly helps here. Also, HN has a rule against asking people whether they've read the article. Asking people whether they know who some famous person is, is obnoxious in the same way.

Saying Steven King, one of the most successful authors in the world, needs Twitter to market his books is a such an insane take that it warrants asking if you have any idea what you're talking about imo

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Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by [deleted] »

freejazz wrote: post #552
oska wrote: post #475

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> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Edit out swipes. > Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It's just the simplest explanation, I wouldn't overthink it.

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Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by rtpg »

abledon wrote: post #805
rtpg wrote: post #594

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Mission, and there are a lot of smart people in the world. Also, some people identify with him because he acts completely the same as That One Guy in the university who had studied programming before getting to the CS classes. I think that a lot of people also don't have to directly work with him, and there are a lot of assholes running companies. That being said, Musk's behavior personally turned me off from all of…

>he acts completely the same as That One Guy in the university who had studied programming before getting to the CS classes. I don't get this reference, how does a person like that act in uni?

Like a certain real gungho-ness and actual knowledge that then turns into their whole personality. Assuming they actually know everything the world has to offer because they figured a bunch of stuff out on their own in this one domain in the past.

Someone who ends up getting something done, but in the most chaotic manner possible and with loads of unforced errors because they are not absorbing information from their peers.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by elicash »

jdlshore wrote: post #766
elicash wrote: post #726

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I’m an advertiser and I think you understate how ad platforms incentivize quality content (via quality scores that affect price) and overstate how this twitter blue proposal would do so. Also you greatly simplify how current advertising works. It’s not anywhere as simple as you describe.

Again, although you’re technically correct, I don’t think it changes my overall point.

If you’re evaluating value, it’s helpful to think about it in those crude terms. If you’re likely to get, say, 4-5 new followers a month from the increased impressions then I think this is good value as an ad product. Part of your point, not the main one admittedly, was grappling with whether to sign up, aka the value here.

I understand you were mostly making an incentives point and there I think we just disagree.

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