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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by [deleted] »

Maursault wrote: post #885
bheadmaster wrote: post #860

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You seem to be confusing disagreements with ad-hominem. Here's an example of real ad-hominem: "You are an obnoxious narcissistic piece of shit that thinks every disagreement is a personal insult because you can't stand not being right". If someone was to use that sentence in an argument, that would be ad-hominem. Asking whether or not you apply same standards of not using logical fallacies (from your original comment…

> You seem to be confusing disagreements with ad-hominem. Incorrect, and this is ad hominem. >>>>> impression of a deep understanding of Who is being referred to? Who is being characterized? Certainly not no one. Thus, ad hominem attack. > you're free to commit logical fallacies as much as you want, but the moment someone else does, you halt all discussion and just shout "fallacy!" This is ad hominem. But it is also…

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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by bheadmaster »

Maursault wrote: post #885
bheadmaster wrote: post #860

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be confusing disagreements with ad-hominem. Here's an example of real ad-hominem: "You are an obnoxious narcissistic piece of shit that thinks every disagreement is a personal insult because you can't stand not being right". If someone was to use that sentence in an argument, that would be ad-hominem. Asking whether or not you apply same standards of not using logical fallacies (from your original comment…

> You seem to be confusing disagreements with ad-hominem. Incorrect, and this is ad hominem. >>>>> impression of a deep understanding of Who is being referred to? Who is being characterized? Certainly not no one. Thus, ad hominem attack. > you're free to commit logical fallacies as much as you want, but the moment someone else does, you halt all discussion and just shout "fallacy!" This is ad hominem. But it is also…

I'm abandoning this conversation because you seem unwilling to respond to the point of my post and bring any kind of argument to the table that isn't "fallacy!".

Also, fallacy fallacy.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by wuschel »

Maursault wrote: post #628
cwkoss wrote: post #609

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Personality disorders aren't curable. > I haven't heard he is violent nor of reports of him berating and belittling others I haven't heard about violence, but berating and belittling others seems common for him - it's practically his brand

> Personality disorders aren't curable. Incorrect. There is no single cure for personality disorders, but that doesn't mean they can't be cured. Any mental illness that is not genetic and which develops due to external causes can be cured. There are many personality disorders, of which NPD is one. While there is no single cure for NPD, in fact NPD can be cured in many cases in one of two ways. Some can be cured relat…

> There is not single cure for personality disorders (/) NPD (…)

I presume this is because the classification of these disorders is way to broad and unspecific as opposed to hard science diagnostics.

> (…) through talk therapy generally under two years

Would you have a good source for that e.g. a meta study?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by MockObject »

morelisp wrote: post #674
MockObject wrote: post #374

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I wonder if anyone believes their own views are too dangerous for broad distribution, and should be limited to protect demoocracy.

Your last clause makes this beg the question, I think. A lot of people believe their own views are dangerous for democracy, and limited to protect democracy. They just also don't believe in protecting democracy - sometimes explicitly, sometimes with lip service to a "democracy" that's little more than nationalism.

Outside of a few teenagers flirting with monarchism, the number of people who don't support democratic republics are vanishingly tiny enough that most references to them are actually straw man arguments.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

sangnoir wrote: post #402
elteto wrote: post #214

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Counterpoint to your anonymity argument: we’ve learned in that past few years that people are very much OK with being publicly identified with hateful ideologies/ideas, e.g. MAGA supporters. A lot of them publicly post and participate online under their real identities, a lot of of it on Facebook. Anonymity is only a deterrent when you are the odd one out. When the President of the US is the one spouting the insanity…

> Anonymity is only a deterrent when you are the odd one out. When the President of the US is the one spouting the insanity you don't have to hide anymore. The problem with anonymous online echo-chambers is that it lulls those in the community that there are more of them in the real world than there really are, which emboldens people to take their online craziness into the real world. This goes for everything from po…

That sounds like a cyber safety issue more so than a problem with anonymity. Remember all those lessons about not sharing your real address or name online? Add another caveat that the two idiots fighting may, in fact, be the same person putting on a show. In fact, the crowd cheering them on is also half-composed of the same guy (the other half is organic popcorn-watching).

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by Maursault »

zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #803
toomuchtodo wrote: post #691

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https://www.thecut.com/2022/02/kanye-west-bipolar-disorder.h... > Kanye, who is now legally known by his nickname, Ye, was diagnosed with bipolar disorder after being hospitalized for a psychiatric emergency in 2016. In the years since, he’s spoken about experiencing manic episodes, often tweeting and performing through them. He has famously referred to bipolar disorder as his “superpower,” and spoke candidly about t…

He's been open about being bipolar since before his first album. Check out the song Gossip Flies at 6:48 https://youtu.be/a7SoMfT3PTw

In general, mental illness should be kept jealously private and only discussed with one's therapist, but this is in regards to the patient protecting themselves. Kanye can do what he wants, but if he is glorifying BPD (I have no idea), then he is indulging in his symptoms and heading towards cautionary tale rather than being a positive role model for other BPD patients and an advocate or activist for mental health, such as Patty Duke, Carrie Fisher, Catherine Zeta Jones, Trevor Noah, and many other celebrities. Life is hard for the mentally ill, and though I'm sure a couple billion dollars can make a huge difference, most BPD patients will end up institutionalized, in prison, or dead repeating Kenye's mistakes.

I'm not saying monetizing one's own mental illness is necessarily wrong, and I think many have been successful throughout history doing so, especially in art, without causing harm. But living in the spotlight, whether intentionally or not, one should, like Spider-Man, recognize there is great responsibility, and take the positive and negative effect it has on others seriously. Again, I don't know what Kenye is doing, only getting glimpses from headlines I can't avoid.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by bdlowery »

vba616 wrote: post #830
Maursault wrote: post #534

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> but I can see almost anyone falling into the exact same trap hes fallen into if they lived his life. Kanye is a garden variety manic-depressive. It has likely been exacerbated by stress and self-medicating with the wrong drugs, causing instability, paranoia and delusion. Bipolar disorder is genetic, it doesn't develop due to no one being able to say "no" to them. What you are describing, however, is one way that Na…

> Bipolar disorder is genetic It is not. The question has been settled on a huge scale by historical events. If illnesses like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia were meaningfully caused by genetic factors, then the Nazi genocide of mentally ill people would have caused a dramatic and lasting reduction in mental illness post-war among the affected population. It didn't. You might also ask yourself, if something is gen…

It can be genetic. But, just because someone has bipolar disorder doesn’t mean they carry the gene for it.

If you have Bipolar disorder you can get tested to see if you have the gene for it. If you don’t then it can’t be passed down.

Source: someone in my immediate family has it and their doctor told them this, got tested, and found out they didn’t have gene for it.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by Shocka1 »

dudeinjapan wrote: post #866
nwienert wrote: post #844

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So did Michael Jackson, and he talked about it. What does it matter if some other person did or didn’t talk about their issues - it’s irrelevant. Do you know what he meant by death con 3? Because he explains it himself in the video and it’s not untoward like you’re implying. Again, maybe listen to the guy for 20m.

But but if we actually listened to what people saying then how would we achieve mass-hysterical outrage 24/7?

Hah, this is spot on. It's like groundhog day every week and interesting to watch in real time. I've been mostly tuned out for years now. People say to me all the time, "Have you heard of ?!" I usually reply with a "No" which results in a regurgitative and passionate explanation.

I just don't understand the phenomenon of people moving from one day/week to the next, with a social media influencer or MSM feeding them the next thing to care about. I would be more dismissive of it, but when it starts spilling over into real life; workplaces, road rage, etc. - it is detrimental to society. At what point do people see this for what it is and wake up?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by Maursault »

bheadmaster wrote: post #892
Maursault wrote: post #885

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> You seem to be confusing disagreements with ad-hominem. Incorrect, and this is ad hominem. >>>>> impression of a deep understanding of Who is being referred to? Who is being characterized? Certainly not no one. Thus, ad hominem attack. > you're free to commit logical fallacies as much as you want, but the moment someone else does, you halt all discussion and just shout "fallacy!" This is ad hominem. But it is also…

I'm abandoning this conversation because you seem unwilling to respond to the point of my post and bring any kind of argument to the table that isn't "fallacy!". Also, fallacy fallacy.

Ad hominem and invincible ignorance. Who says what never matters, it is what is said that is the province of valid argument. I have made no unsupported assertions regarding the truth values of fallacious responses to my initial argument, only identified these responses as specific fallacies to justify not responding. Thus, I have not made any appeal to fallacy, leaving the accusation(s) of such as straw man arguments. I would be more than happy to entertain valid argument, but none have been made in this thread in response to my OP in preference to attempts to humiliate, ostracize and bully me. Any scrutiny whatsoever of me is fallacious argument.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by AlwaysRock »

itake wrote: post #252
AlwaysRock wrote: post #213

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It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

> the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time Slim Shady stands up [0]. [0] - https://iamyourtargetdemographic.com/2011/08/30/kanye-west-v...

> arguably
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