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Google Search Is Dying

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Re: Google Search Is Dying

#891

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There's a reason why it seems shocking that Google has been able to balance the ads well enough that people still use it. They haven't! Google has orchestrated a monopoly over search engine distribution that allows them to get away with search results that are dominated by ads and spam, without losing most consumers. Let's be blunt here - almost no consumer consciously chooses to use Google search anymore. Google has…

Just tried andisearch and am extremely impressed. It has so far handled all queries I have thrown at it better than brave search and DDG. Will continue to experiment, best of luck and awesome work!

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Re: Google Search Is Dying

#892

Many of these articles/complaints don't compare Google Search to alternatives (Bing / DuckDuckGo / ...), so it's not clear whether web search itself is getting "worse" (in the ways mentioned), or whether the issues are with Google Search specifically. (For example, the article proposes the explanation that "The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust" , which is about the web itself, n…

For me, Duckduckgo finds technical information that google doesn't and vise versa. I use both.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#893
From a Digital Marketer who has worked with search engines since 2007, and can remember using Google as a primary student in 1998/1999, Google has made some incredible leaps....

Their search results however are getting worse, whilst also being exploitative. I'm a big believer in an open, free internet, but ripping off content to display on the home page isn't justifiable except for a monopoly, wanting to consolidate as many impressions onto their ad laden serps.

Google Flights imo was the start of Google's greed in unfairly competing against content platforms & aggregators. Pretty big conflict of interest there.

They're really stuck with Google Ads and dependent on it for a lot of their revenue. This will only get worse.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#894

Some really good thoughts here. I'll summarize the ones that hit me: - "Why are people searching Reddit specifically? The short answer is that Google search results are clearly dying. The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust." This is it for me exactly. I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretl…

"The latest conditions on mountain bike and hiking trails are being shared inside communities like Reddit but not on the web."

I just wanted to mention that a friend of mine made an app for user-reported trail conditions that might be worth taking a look at: https://trekko.app/

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#895
I think that Google's monopoly and their worldview that everything is data to be mined has created a feedback loop that killed the web of old.

The web was originally very social in nature. By linking to another page you spent some social currency to lift up others who were worthy. You, the other author and the audience all understood the social contract enshrined in a link. Google rejected that model and successfully changed the web to be a place where Google simply directed people to their final destination.

SEO became first possible and then necessary. The audience for hobbyists and anyone who can't pour money into optimising their Google results has dried up. The nature of Google search results undermines whatever opportunity the author had to build a relationship with their audience. Google reminds you that this is all an impersonal transaction: this page has the recipe you want, it lets you buy a product, or it answers your question. The value of this connection can by quantified as unique visitors, bounce rate and time on page.

Intertwined webs of relationships between pages have been replaced by a graph where the only edge that matters is the one that connects you to Google.

With the social dimension of the web undermined, and the audience siphoned off to the big, commercial, operations, it makes sense that creators migrate to platforms that will give them an audience. It is not that Google results are getting worse, it's that Google has accidentally killed the web as a source of valuable data for them to mine.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#896

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reason why it seems shocking that Google has been able to balance the ads well enough that people still use it. They haven't! Google has orchestrated a monopoly over search engine distribution that allows them to get away with search results that are dominated by ads and spam, without losing most consumers. Let's be blunt here - almost no consumer consciously chooses to use Google search anymore. Google has…

Just tried andisearch and am extremely impressed. It has so far handled all queries I have thrown at it better than brave search and DDG. Will continue to experiment, best of luck and awesome work!

Thank you! I really do sincerely appreciate that. If you'd like to, please reach out to us there because we'd love to chat more. It wasn't my intention to take the discussion off-topic here because this thread is so incredibly interesting, but at the same time it's super encouraging to see the unprompted feedback and questions, and we'll share what we're doing properly on HN soon so we can address questions properly.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#897

Google Rep: "You said in the post that quotes don't give exact matches. They really do. Honest. Me: Google for "quotes don't give": Top result, does not contain the given phrase Second result, does not contain that phrase This is literally the first thing I tried and I did a view source to be sure. They are lying to us and/or themselves. Looking at the result, I would say 1/2 the results don't include that phrase inc…

I may start using another search engine just because of this. I can't tell you how many times I've searched for something in quotes, but the results almost always lack a word or two. They just want to show you some results; they don't care if that's exactly what you wanted.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#898

Some really good thoughts here. I'll summarize the ones that hit me: - "Why are people searching Reddit specifically? The short answer is that Google search results are clearly dying. The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust." This is it for me exactly. I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretl…

There's a reason why it seems shocking that Google has been able to balance the ads well enough that people still use it. They haven't! Google has orchestrated a monopoly over search engine distribution that allows them to get away with search results that are dominated by ads and spam, without losing most consumers. Let's be blunt here - almost no consumer consciously chooses to use Google search anymore. Google has…

"almost no consumer consciously chooses to use Google search anymore"

May I ask how you arrived at this observation? This is the first time I am hearing this. I know of NO ONE who uses any other search engine. The term "Googled" is not yet a proxy for other search sites.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#899

I think that Google's monopoly and their worldview that everything is data to be mined has created a feedback loop that killed the web of old. The web was originally very social in nature. By linking to another page you spent some social currency to lift up others who were worthy. You, the other author and the audience all understood the social contract enshrined in a link. Google rejected that model and successfully…

> Google reminds you that this is all an impersonal transaction: this page has the recipe you want, it lets you buy a product, or it answers your question. The value of this connection can by quantified as unique visitors, bounce rate and time on page. > With the social dimension of the web undermined, ...

I agree. Whether Google did it by accident or not, we'll never know. But the consequence of removing personal transactions between pages is the impersonal, shallow, SEO-targetted web that we see today.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#900

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Searching Reddit helps but the quality of comments has gotten lower since 2015 or so. It seems to coincide with the wave of subreddit bans and the nakedly politically-driven moderation on subreddits. And with the reflexive attitude—against anything countering the Reddit consensus—that developed during the Trump years. High quality posters seem to have withdrawn from the site (at least in how much they comment) and wh…

Quality on any non niche popular subreddits were already abysmal long before 2015. Reddit is useless for anything which is not highly specific but there are some diamonds in the rough: great subreddits exists about fashion, knives, gardening, coffee, shaving and plenty of other weird interests.

Subs about specific medical conditions have been really helpful for me.
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