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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by hackinthebochs »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

>I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast.

It's amazing how people don't get cognitive dissonance over this disingenuous song and dance. The people lauding the choice of private companies to operate as they please when they deplatform are the very people pressuring private companies to deplatform people they don't like in the first place. If you were genuinely in favor of private companies operating as they see fit, you wouldn't feel motivated to pressure them to drop content you don't like.

>What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them

What we don't like is that is it not left "up to them" what to do with their content. The point of the free market is that individuals are left to act independently in their own interests. This ideal is undermined when groups create pressure to deplatform or pull content.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by edgyquant »

roamerz wrote: post #863
hagy wrote: post #806

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that Spotify has the legal right to stop distributing any content they find objectionable. Anyone arguing that Spotify’s action is a first amendment violation is simply wrong. A private entity, like Spotify, can decide what content to distribute at their own discretion. I don’t think many people are making this argument. Instead, I think many of us are arguing that Spotify shouldn’t exercise that option just…

>chiefly culturally conservative prude The difference in me (chiefly culturally conservative prude) and the liberal cancel culture is that I won’t try to silence someone’s choices based on my values. You may listen to whatever you want and I hope you get enjoyment out of it. I support your freedoms and a lot of good men have died to protect them.

This is hilarious. Social conservatives invented cancel culture and used their influence to control the media we watched until very recently. Does no one remember the Dixie Chicks being made irrelevant because they critiqued Bush? No what happened is that the population is no longer majority conservative and the tools employed by them are now under the control of social liberals and they (you) can’t stand it.

Nice try though pretending history starts at some arbitrary line you can then use to critique. Conservatives are just getting a taste of their own medicine.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

Bombthecat wrote: post #851
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I don't like rogan, for all i care, he can burn in hell. But : the negotiation would have run very very different if they would have said :we buy it, but will never use or publish it! He might have still sold (for a higher price) or rejected the offer. You can't change the "purpose" of a contract after it was made. In german, we have a law, yes a law, basically saying : in treu und glauben (in good faith / in trust a…

Where did you find the contract, such that you can draw conclusions about the details, the spirit, and what constitutes "good faith"?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by nicbou »

codeivore wrote: post #498
thebigjewbowski wrote: post #269

I love Joe. I use Spotify exclusively to listen to his podcast. I listen to every episode… I wish there was a way to tell them if it wasn’t for his show I’d never use their app but I suspect they already know that. Unfortunately I think attacks on his having been prescribed ivermectin and his guests like the highly published cardiologist and the guy that contracts with the defense department and has patents related t…

maybe civil war II will be fought with information and not guns

This is a theme in "Fall or Dodge in Hell". In a future where people are bombarded with so much information, people rely on editors to curate their streams. Poorer people can't afford good editors, so they're fed incoherent garbage. This creates a schism when a big event happens. People can't even agree on whether the event happened or not. It's not the main story, but an interesting part nonetheless.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by eej71 »

jupp0r wrote: post #804
eej71 wrote: post #774

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do agree with your underlying defense of private property. Spotify has a legal right to do this. There is no contractural issue here. And this is not censorship. But there is a cultural question that I think this defense sidesteps a bit. I'd frame it as a question. What level of heterodox opinion would you encourage Spotify (and the like) to tolerate? What opinion would be heterodox to you or your peers that you'd…

Not sure whether your question was rhetorical but here is a suggestion anyway: Draw the line where people spread lies or harass others so that actual harm gets done in the real world. Alex Jones got deplatformed after some of his fans were threatening grieving Sand Hooks families. Joe Rogans episodes were removed after they spread misinformation that convinces people to not get vaccinated in the middle of a pandemic,…

This sounds good at first, but I think it wears differently if you try to apply it to something in a different political quadrant.

Consider in the summer of 2020 there was a popular social movement that had quite a presence on social media that was spreading incorrect and ultimately very harmful statistics about police violence.

Arguably, this led to wide spread riots, large scale property destruction in multiple cities and ultimately an increase in crime. I think if a vocal minority bullied large corporations to effectively deplatform those social justice organizations then I think many people would be playing a different tune.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

nradov wrote: post #732
hedora wrote: post #674

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the real issue isn't that people are calling for censorship. They're calling for Spotify to not pay people to produce political propaganda. Now, we get the worst of both worlds, where Spotify funds the production of harmful propaganda (by their own published standards), and also starts censoring independently produced content.

What specifically is the harmful political propaganda? Please provide direct quotes in context so that we can understand whether your complaint is valid.

Before they do that, can you clarify who you believe should subsequently judge the validity?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by filed »

Spotify is a left wing activist company. Just like Airbnb and GoFundMe.

Conservatives are dropping their principles- meaning why should we give the left free speech or services from private companies when they deny that to the right. We want revenge. We want AG from GOP states to investigate these companies for fraud, theft, or discrimination.

They are no longer a neutral company. Period, and this is war.

Conservatives can no longer expect services from lefty companies.

How about truckers, who are conservative, not deliver food to lefty cities. How will they like that. So now lefty's need to start their own lefty trucker companies so they can get food. It is a private business, go start your own trucking company to get food- how do you like that?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

whiddershins wrote: post #812
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

First: If the government openly pressures Spotify, that is government censorship, which is literally what just happened. Second: Because there isn’t a good alternative for distribution. There really isn’t. Because the press employs less people nationwide than any time since … who knows, before the 1950s. We need good information. We need uncensored information and this includes misinformation. We need to hear opinion…

> If the government openly pressures Spotify, that is government censorship, which is literally what just happened.

This is absolutely false on both counts.

First: at no point did the government pressure spotify to specifically take down content.

Second: answering a question asked to you about what you think about a current event would not constitute censorship anyways.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by willis936 »

sabertoothed wrote: post #821
nomilk wrote: post #224

This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…

Rogan conducted research?

He spreads and legitimizes psuedoscience. That's the same thing, right?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by atleta »

I haven't been listening to JR since around (maybe before) he left YT, so know it comes as a surprise that his earlier episodes were also taken to Spotify (and off of YT). Makes sense, I just wasn't aware.

I can see some of the nuts on the list (like Eddie Bravo and, of course, Alex Jones), but seeing Gad Saad came as a surprise. Also, anyone knows what could have been wrong with David Seaman? (I haven't heard his episodes nor anything about him outside of his soccer/goalie career. But curiously he seemed to have been on the show pretty frequently.)

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