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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 1:40 AM UTC

OJFord wrote: post #885

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On the surface, this seems like FUD or at least exaggerated. Anecdotally, Americans across the spectrum are at least weary of China if not openly hostile. China does have a lot of corporate influence at the upper levels and corporations do pull many of the levers of government here, but on an individual level, I don't think it's that's dramatic. Although this topic has been sensationalized a lot, personally I don't t…

> at least weary of China if not openly hostile Given the latter half, I think that's *wary (cautious) rather than 'weary' (fatigued, fed up)? I'm not American, but something I've noticed on YouTube is that 'import' is a euphemism for 'Chinese crap' - probably more prevalent because there's more of a US manufacturing base to begin with, but the funny thing is when it's imported from somewhere else that's respected it…

In years past, Japanese import was considered synonymous with cheap crap. That reputation changed over time, eventually becoming associated with high quality. Chinese imports now having that reputation doesn't really have much to do with how Americans feel about the Chinese government.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Diggsey » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 1:41 AM UTC

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oh you mean like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

Everything I could possible write about that is covered on that page, especially the Misconceptions section. The nearly non-existent line between public and private sector in China really derails all possible discussion and comparison to equivalences outside of China, but regardless I just don't find what goes on in China to be different enough when we tolerate the same things from the private sector that runs our da…

That's a pretty clear line... On the one side, even if the US government is not adequately regulating private companies today, it could begin doing so tomorrow, or if it's a question of legality, any individual or group could bring a case against those companies, and have it decided on by a judge who can actually make an impartial decision.

On the other side, you have a single entity which answers only to itself, and makes the law. There is no-one "above" that entity, even in principle. If you don't like the things it's doing... tough.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by kag0 » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 1:41 AM UTC

OJFord wrote: post #885

ddoolin wrote: post #752

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the surface, this seems like FUD or at least exaggerated. Anecdotally, Americans across the spectrum are at least weary of China if not openly hostile. China does have a lot of corporate influence at the upper levels and corporations do pull many of the levers of government here, but on an individual level, I don't think it's that's dramatic. Although this topic has been sensationalized a lot, personally I don't t…

> at least weary of China if not openly hostile Given the latter half, I think that's *wary (cautious) rather than 'weary' (fatigued, fed up)? I'm not American, but something I've noticed on YouTube is that 'import' is a euphemism for 'Chinese crap' - probably more prevalent because there's more of a US manufacturing base to begin with, but the funny thing is when it's imported from somewhere else that's respected it…

As an anecdote in the 90s and 00s "import" cars usually meant Japanese cars, especially ones not available on the US market. This wasn't really a negative connotation, and there was a whole scene for high performance "import tuners". Just interesting to your point that in context "import" implies a specific country.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by bllguo » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 1:47 AM UTC

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your appeal to emotion rings hollow. Did I deny that? My family viewed the US as such in the past. No longer, I can assure you. It is precisely because we have experienced life in the US and Asia that I feel that I can actually comment on this topic. If you seriously think millions of Taiwanese think this of America I would love to see your reaction when you travel there. Ohio, the Mojave, Alaska. Insulting on a whol…

Okay, I'll bite. Why is Alaska "insulting"? Note: I live there, and it's awesome. Ohio is also a perfectly fine place to live.

Surely you understand that your preferences are not widely shared - that's probably part of why you like living there in the first place, no?

If you wanted to persuade a group of people to immigrate to the US, you'd mention Ohio and the Mojave desert first? Those are not "premier" locations regardless of how you or I feel about them personally.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by sudosysgen » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 1:47 AM UTC

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If you're intending to imply that the British didn't need to hand over Hong Kong because China changed rulers, I'm afraid that's not really how the law works. And, in any case, the negotiation of 1984 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration ) between Britain and the PRC set up Hong Kong to become a PRC territory in 1997.

And I have a piece of paper that says I own part of the moon.

That's not quite the equivalence. This is more like you having a piece of paper from the old owner of a property showing that you're entitled to passage and showing it to the new owner.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by e771958a » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 1:50 AM UTC

OJFord wrote: post #887

spcebar wrote: post #31

Response from the student: https://old.reddit.com/r/Purdue/comments/ri95tp/in_response_...

I'm confused by the last paragraph, out of my own naïveté, do HKers 'identify' as 'Chinese' then, just not 'from China'? I suppose it's not surprising when someone's when someone adopts their parents' culture etc. despite being born abroad (e.g. self-describing as Indian without being a citizen/born there) - so makes sense, I just hadn't realised.

The English word "Chinese" describes three different things:

- a state (the PRC) - an ethnic group (Han) - a culture

The government of the PRC will gladly conflate those things serves their interests.

Most people in Hongkong would definitely identify as culturally and ethnically Chinese. That third item is ... a point of contention. I expect the situation in Taiwan is similar.

On the other side, it is possible to be nationally Chinese but neither culturally nor ethnically so -- see the Tibetans or Uighur for examples.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by dehrmann » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 1:52 AM UTC

wolverine876 wrote: post #693

dehrmann wrote: post #656

Interesting side note: before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations. He's also run Purdue differently than most administrators. He famously froze tuition, and he's using the name for an online school Purdu…

> before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations. How is the governor of Indiana closer to dealing with international relations? I suspect the president of Purdue does it more, given the international nature…

> How is the governor of Indiana closer to dealing with international relations?

Close in the sense that his successor as Indiana Governor was Mike Pence. I almost want to say the only reason Daniels wasn't in that spot was timing.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by sudosysgen » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 1:55 AM UTC

gtirloni wrote: post #201

I worked with people from China at a previous job. They came to visit us (South America) and while having dinner I lightly suggested things in China are difficult when it comes to freedom, right? Their facial expression changed immediately. They said it was better not to talk about that. They were who knows how many kilometers from home, not a single Chinese national around to report them, and they still feared talki…

It is better for someone that does support the Chinese government not to voice their support in the West. It will avoid many conflicts. This goes for pretty much anyone who agrees with an unpopular regime and is a popular practice.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by cronix » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 2:00 AM UTC

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I disagree. The CCP has made itself a very big problem internationally. WE need a LOT more conversation about that government in particular, urgently. Hypotheticals can wait.

I also think that it's a big problem and was thinking that not mentioning it would be an easier way to deal with it (i.e. expel the perpetrators). Expelling students who harass other students, or giving death threats (for the case of Emerson) should be a relatively straightforward decision without getting politics involved.

Pro-CCP students from China harassing an Anti-CCP student (or at least one critical of) from China while guests at a college in the US, about that students expression on his views of Tienanmen Square while in the US. Also, it seems, based on those statements made in the US, his family is being persecuted back in China. How does one separate politics when it's entirely political?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by dehrmann » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 2:03 AM UTC

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I read it as: he bought an online school, and started calling it "Purdue" to cash in on the school's reputation.

Hmm. Purdue bought a school and “cashed in” on their own reputation? Still confused… :)

I was trying to avoid passing judgment, but...

They bought an online school (Kaplan University), then renamed it to Purdue University Global. It's one of the worst schools in the country. The only reason to do that is to cash in on the Purdue brand, and it will likely dilute it over time.