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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by ehsankia »

franciscop wrote: post #886
beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

Do you mean like Youtube's own Youtube Rewind 2018, which it became the most disliked video surpassing even Justin Bieber's Baby? To add extra irony, it was subtitled "Youtube Rewind 2018 - Everyone Controls Rewind". It seems that everyone controlling the dislike button was not appreciated, and while I find this downvote session brilliant I've been waiting since then for Youtube to remove the downvote button.

Isn't that a perfect example of Dislike button being used mostly as a meme or to bully / pile-on? Or do you truly believe that video was somehow literally the worst video on Youtube?

In most other websites and contexts anyway, like/dislike is used to share your taste with the algorithm or to the author, and neither of those are disrupted here. The only thing that is disrupted is the tribal action using the dislike button as a way of publicly and anonymously showing hatred towards content.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by franciscop »

grej wrote: post #833

There is a video on YouTube in which YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received the Free Expression Award (which were sponsored by YouTube). At the time of the check I just did, that video currently has 227 upvotes and over 56,000 downvotes, making it the worst ratio’ed video on YouTube I have ever seen. That incident may have played a role in this decision.

On a similar note:

Youtube Rewind 2018: most disliked video on Youtube history

Youtube Rewind 2019: top 10 of most disliked videos

Youtube in 2020: no Rewind video

Youtube in 2021: you know what? we are just gonna remove dislikes

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by ehsankia »

grej wrote: post #833

There is a video on YouTube in which YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received the Free Expression Award (which were sponsored by YouTube). At the time of the check I just did, that video currently has 227 upvotes and over 56,000 downvotes, making it the worst ratio’ed video on YouTube I have ever seen. That incident may have played a role in this decision.

People keep giving these examples as ironic reasons for removing the dislike button, but to me, every one of these examples are perfect examples of how the dislike button is used more as a meme or bullying tactic than a real signal anyways.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by artdigital »

So I have never clicked a like nor dislike button on YouTube after they switched from stars to the thumbs. I always wondered who actually puts in the extra few seconds to do so, but I'd guess it's people that have a very strong opinion.

Especially the "Don't forget to smash that like button below" became so much noise that it's getting auto-filtered in my head

This change feels like the next step of positioning YouTube as something like a TV alternative, encouraging more long-form content and series over one-off videos.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by scotty79 »

iszomer wrote: post #681
nickjj wrote: post #67

Bummer. I often use like vs dislike ratios as a gauge on whether a video is worth watching. If I see a 3,000 up / 48 down video on a topic I'm interested in there's a really good chance the video is great. I'm a small time creator (~13.5k subs) and don't care at all about upvotes or downvotes being public. There's only been a handful of videos out of hundreds that received more downvotes than expected because the vid…

I feel like the like-dislike button needs to be expanded instead to encompass various the nuances on why you might like or dislike a video. Something I liked could be as trivial as an enjoyment of said content or a dislike because of it's presentation, or liking content that was presented in poor tastes yet recognizing it's comedic value. That's not to say I don't recognize that the like-dislike ratio can also be gam…

Before facebook, reddit and such I imagined discussion platform where you'd have 3 options, upvote for agreeing with the content, downvote for disagreeing and third option for spam and incomprehensible things and things devoid of any value positive or negative.

Yes! No! Garbage!

System would recommend you the content based on your adjustable levels of tolerance for adversarial views, contoversy and tolerance for garbage.

I even considered supporting mixed vote by placing a dot in Yes! No! Garbage! triangle. Basically two axes, agreement and quality, with range of possible agreements narrowing down to zero as quality goes down.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by a5aAqU »

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

> I’ve seen some interesting projects in the past that were browser based and made the entire Internet be equipped with comments sections, including YouTube. I wonder if something like that would be viable, maybe with the addition of a like dislike bar.

If something like that ever took off, it would devastate independent publishers and a huge part of Internet culture by draining interactions out of websites. Google tried it before, and fortunately it failed. I think it's one of the worst possible things that could happen to the Web.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by feanaro »

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

> I’ve seen some interesting projects in the past that were browser based and made the entire Internet be equipped with comments sections, including YouTube.

Hypothesis is such a tool: https://web.hypothes.is/

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by johnisgood »

nickjj wrote: post #67

Bummer. I often use like vs dislike ratios as a gauge on whether a video is worth watching. If I see a 3,000 up / 48 down video on a topic I'm interested in there's a really good chance the video is great. I'm a small time creator (~13.5k subs) and don't care at all about upvotes or downvotes being public. There's only been a handful of videos out of hundreds that received more downvotes than expected because the vid…

Perhaps you could use views and the like count. If the video has 10M views, and only 10k likes, then perhaps it sucks? I dunno. You would really have to sit through it I suppose, which is the point of this move.

That said, it does not affect me much as I use YouTube exclusively for music. I used it for other videos as well, but Google is making YouTube a worse platform day by day.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by beezischillin »

franciscop wrote: post #886
beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

Do you mean like Youtube's own Youtube Rewind 2018, which it became the most disliked video surpassing even Justin Bieber's Baby? To add extra irony, it was subtitled "Youtube Rewind 2018 - Everyone Controls Rewind". It seems that everyone controlling the dislike button was not appreciated, and while I find this downvote session brilliant I've been waiting since then for Youtube to remove the downvote button.

The interesting thing about that video was that the Internet took it as a win, YouTube apparently took it as a learning opportunity.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by jtwebman »

nickjj wrote: post #67

Bummer. I often use like vs dislike ratios as a gauge on whether a video is worth watching. If I see a 3,000 up / 48 down video on a topic I'm interested in there's a really good chance the video is great. I'm a small time creator (~13.5k subs) and don't care at all about upvotes or downvotes being public. There's only been a handful of videos out of hundreds that received more downvotes than expected because the vid…

From what they said it is to protect creators as groups go around creating games to dislike different small creator videos.
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