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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by modeless » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 4:53 AM UTC

chrismorgan wrote: post #866

deergomoo wrote: post #500

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> Both 14" and 16" have 254 PPI, up from ~220 Which also means they finally support more screen real estate at native 2x! Since 2016 the 13" MacBooks retained their 2560x1600 panels but shipped by default in a "looks like 1440x900" mode, which renders a 2880x1800 frame and does a non-integer scale down to the panel's native resolution, trading sharpness for extra space. I hate the slight fuzzy look so I run mine at n…

I have always been utterly baffled by Apple’s approach to high DPI. They ship some of the best panels around, and then they kneecap them by using the most idiotic scaling scheme imaginable that guarantees that it’s worse than a low resolution panel for some tasks that want precision and uglier on things like single pixel lines which crop up a lot in e.g. web content, because pixel precision is impossible . Microsoft…

Microsoft's DPI scaling is terrible. So much stuff is ugly and/or broken. (My favorite example is DPI scaling bugs that used to exist in the DPI control panel itself: https://i.imgur.com/zi80IhG.png) Mixed DPI is a huge pain because windows change size when you drag them around. WPF was supposed to fix all this, way back when that was the future. Apple's approach is much simpler and generally works better though it certainly has its downsides too.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by R6 » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 4:53 AM UTC

manmal wrote: post #888

ChuckMcM wrote: post #479

Priced out the one I would buy and it is $4300. Seems the value isn't quite there. Hard to say though without playing with it for a while. So clearly I need to go back to work for some tech company that will buy one for me :-). It is more interesting to me to reflect on the comments from about 5 years ago that "ARM will never be in laptops, its a 'phone' processor." That statement was both true and ignored the realit…

> Seems the value isn't quite there Looks like you are not in the target audience for those machines. The value is absolutely there if you need the CPU to do as much work as possible. As someone who spends a big chunk of my day compiling, a speedup by x2 means I need to wait half as long. And it won’t even toast my lap. The 1K nits screen means I can finally work outside in summer. This is _exactly_ the machine the d…

People are comparing Apples and Oranges. (Ha)

Look at a Mobile Workstation class laptop and those are easily 5k+. Those are the ones to compare with the high end MBPs. Not your USD 1500 Windows laptops.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by qolop » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 5:17 AM UTC

satoshiiii wrote: post #490

And here I am with my Lenovo S10-3 still doing fine in 2021. My use case is if I can produce something fast with this machine then half of the battle has already been won because by default I need to optimize for the lowest possible spec of my target market. Obviously, I know this won't apply to everyone but anyway I hope this will continue for me a couple more years.

I'm using a 6 year old ThinkPad X250 with 4GB of RAM.

The benefit of using it is that I have zero tolerance for bloated software because it just won't run on my machine. This includes the software I make.

And you're right, developers SHOULD be using the lowest possible spec of the target market. Whenever I visit some bloated SPA that crashes my browser I always imagine the developer being some smug chap with a fully specced MacBook Pro patting themselves on the back for what a smooth website they've built.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by kube-system » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 5:17 AM UTC

tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #181

ssijak wrote: post #96

This is literally a dream laptop. Improved in every area and lacking in none I can think of right now. And the price is crazy cheap for this performance if you ask me.

Its not crazy cheap, a lot of people overvalue mobility when 90% of white collar work is done at home or in an office.

I work 90% at home... but my job requires a computer 100% of the time.

If you make 120k, travel once per month, and you waste ~3 hours of productivity each time you can't take your desktop with you... you would have made up for the difference between a $2k desktop and $4k laptop just in wasted labor.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by beltsazar » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 5:19 AM UTC

MengerSponge wrote: post #15

shantara wrote: post #9

Everything they’ve said about the new MacBook Pros is extremely promising, but they had to add a notch to the screen. Just why? All for the sake of reducing the top screen border by a couple of millimeters.

Try this: Instead of thinking "Boo, they took away part of the screen with a notch" think "Yay! They extended the screen a few mm on either side of the camera" If you want to join us in the cult of Mac, learning little contortions like that will make you a lot happier.

But it takes the menu bar space, which is already scarce even without the notch. Some people may have many app icons and "widgets" (e.g. iStat Menus) on the menu bar.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by DeathArrow » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 5:23 AM UTC

I am not interested in Apple's ecosystem. While I stay with X86 I wonder if and when AMD and Intel will catch up. Or if another ARM chip maker will release a chip as good but without tying it to a proprietary system.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by beltsazar » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 5:27 AM UTC

petercooper wrote: post #473

I don't plan to go back to MagSafe. I have multiport USB-C chargers all round my house and don't really want to buy lots of cables or proprietary chargers to add to the mix. I'm sticking with USB-C even if it's slower. SD cards I don't use. And HDMI I rarely use so dongles are fine, but it's nice to have I guess!

Yeah I don't even use any USB-C charger to power my MBP. My USB-C monitor delivers 90W to the MBP.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by thinkloop » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #603

ChuckMcM wrote: post #479

Priced out the one I would buy and it is $4300. Seems the value isn't quite there. Hard to say though without playing with it for a while. So clearly I need to go back to work for some tech company that will buy one for me :-). It is more interesting to me to reflect on the comments from about 5 years ago that "ARM will never be in laptops, its a 'phone' processor." That statement was both true and ignored the realit…

I expect to be surrounded by pitchforks and torches for saying this, but I genuinely believe that Linux is the true winner of today's presentation. The last few months have been watershed times for both Apple and Microsoft. Starting with Apple, their developer relations are starting to crumble in a major way. Not only have developers stood up against their highway robbery, but other companies like Microsoft have one-…

And yet I still have to hard reboot after closing the lid on a fresh ubuntu install on a 7 year-old lenovo in 2021.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by Wolfenstein98k » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 5:30 AM UTC

The best features are backflips.

Says a lot about recent Apple choices - the backflip says the most.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by beltsazar » Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 5:37 AM UTC

aqme28 wrote: post #277

I’m curious about all the distaste people have of the notch. It’s more screen space. Would people prefer a larger bezel? My guess is you’ll have the option for a virtual bezel on apps that don’t properly account for the notch.

I prefer a larger bezel because the notch takes the menu bar space, which is already scarce even without the notch. Some people may have many app icons and "widgets" (e.g. iStat Menus) on the menu bar.