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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by pelasaco »

jandrese wrote: post #882
pelasaco wrote: post #804

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really following the issue, but there is any evidence of the people involved in the Capitol invasion being active users on Parler?

As far as I know there is no direct connection yet between anybody arrested for the insurrection and Parler. There is also no direct evidence that they did not. However, it is extremely unlikely that none of them use it. The people who planned the Jan 6 coup attempt used Parler. So the only way this happens is if they spend months planning the assault but then don't show up for it and a completely different set of pe…

i was reading about it, and they are almost using more than one social network and cross-posting through them.. I don ´t see Twitter or Facebook less responsible for the invasion than Parler.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by bmarquez »

jandrese wrote: post #874
spiralx wrote: post #844

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/r/libertarian was famously unmoderated for years until the drama a couple of years when the head moderator finally resurfaced and decided to step in after alt-right mods took over the sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/ajg8ng/rlib... Slashdot is the only major site that was unmoderated in this sense - during the 10+ years I read it the only post ever removed was one with links to Scientology mater…

Slashdot's moderation system is quite unique. It's fairly hard to get mod points and they expire quickly, so brigading is almost impossible. Posts have a very low mod cap (5) as well so it stays fairly flat. There is also a meta-moderation system although it's never been clear to me how effective it is. Probably the biggest thing keeping it in check is that they still a fully editor driven website. No article shows u…

The best thing that I love about the Slashdot moderation system is that you can't moderate and post in the same discussion.

It keeps people from simultaneously expressing their opinion and downvoting other opposing opinions.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by webmaven »

rob74 wrote: post #459
brigandish wrote: post #307

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> would you want to work for such a company, or have it on your resume in the future? Does top talent only work for giant ad networks that thrive through undermining privacy (and hence, free speech) while manipulating public discourse to the point where these companies hardly have any defenders left? I suppose so, money will easily trump other considerations, especially among the naive, ignorant or just plain venal.…

Free speech is one thing, building an echo chamber for lunatics is something completely different, at least in my book. In principle, we probably also agree that all people should be equal, but if you follow that principle to the end, you get Communism. That's why there is a need for supreme courts to interpret each country's constitution, which are basically just a list of simple principles that are acceptable to ev…

> In principle, we probably also agree that all people should be equal, but if you follow that principle to the end, you get Communism.

That's a caricature. The actual principle is "equal justice before the law" (there are variations). Justice is an important part of the principle since otherwise "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal loaves of bread". Not to mention such evils as selective enforcement and prosecutorial discretion.

Few people these days would insist that equality of outcomes is a legitimate goal, though the extent to which disparity of outcomes is treated as a "code smell" at least potentially indicating a societal problem worth examining does vary fairly predictably across the US political spectrum. The appetite for instituting solutions when a systemic problem is demonstrably found also varies fairly predictably.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by salawat »

djtriptych wrote: post #888
swalsh wrote: post #846

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Was it okay to place Japanese in internment camps? Not going to wait for an answer, because the answer should clearly be no. Curtailing domestic liberties is not okay regardless the circumstances.

Never OK but sometimes necessary. I'm sure you can at least imagine a scenario where it's appropriate to curtail speech to save lives, e.g. taking away an enemy combatant's comms, even if they're American. Liberty is always opposed to security. How free we are depends on how worried we are. That's always the case.

Ah, a Schneck apologist. Such a bore.

By the way, lets look at some other circumstances:

Suspension of habeas corpus. Abraham Lincoln, Civil War. Half of country wants to clock the other half. Total existential threat.

WWI. Schneck v. United States. Cornerstone and terrible case for limiting free speech in order to silence opposition to the bloody draft.

WWII:Japanese internment camps. Labor cracked down on for striking and shutting down most of the wartime manufacturing supply chain. Existential threat.

2001: 3 buildings hit with aircraft. All liberties around airtravel basically cancelled. Heavy intensification of SIGINT intensifies, birth of widespread dragnet surveillance programs.

2020: A bunch of people waltz into the Capitol pissed as all hell because their concerns were not taken seriously. Rest of country is just fine. Suggestions to yeet civil liberties because think of the Congresspeople who had to continue their meeting elsewhere!

One of these is not like the others. Further, Congress is getting what it deserved. With the way they've spent years delegating increasing chunks of lawmaking to the Executive branch, ain't it grand the way they get reminded of why checks and balances were there in the first place?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by UncleMeat »

binaryblitz wrote: post #678
UncleMeat wrote: post #107

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And that was widely criticized as improper behavior. Parler is not good, but stealing and publishing this information is also not traditionally ethical.

If the data was public, is it stealing? (Not 100% sure if private data was released.)

CFAA doesn't care about that. There's problems with that law, but I really wouldn't want to push on it here.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by ipsocannibal »

whimsicalism wrote: post #279
ipsocannibal wrote: post #269

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Data, evidence? The threat is in giving the fascist terrorist 1% a microphone not that the other 99% happen to be listening. Parler was lax in policing that 1%.

And thus the private messages/videos of all should be leaked by vigilantes? I am equally concerned about what happened about the Capitol, but the actions taken by tech in response are unacceptable to me.

You just jumped to a conclusion. In another comment in this article I specifically said only messages that are related to the commission of a crime should be released and everything else should be deleted.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by ipsocannibal »

brigandish wrote: post #344
ipsocannibal wrote: post #269

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Data, evidence? The threat is in giving the fascist terrorist 1% a microphone not that the other 99% happen to be listening. Parler was lax in policing that 1%.

> The threat is in giving the fascist terrorist 1% a microphone The problem with fascist terrorists is not their rhetoric, it's their violence. Allow them to speak their mind and you lower their need for violent action and everyone else gets to show that their ideas are horribly flawed. It's amusing to think that people seriously believe there are huge swathes of people just ripe to become neo-nazis because someone g…

I think this is relevent a https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by MattGaiser »

notyourwork wrote: post #868
MattGaiser wrote: post #600

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It is an important part of delivering real world solutions. How often is it a part of being hired to deliver real world solutions?

I'm not sure I understand the question. In my mind, if you cannot reason through how to handle non-expected things in your code, I'm going to think twice about hiring you. Code being able to account for erroneous situations is as important as your golden path because as we know software should be predictable but regularly is not. Especially so in the world of micro-services where so many integration paths are changin…

I think you should hire for that skill.

In practice, I do not think candidates are hired for that skill. I have never been asked about error handling in an interview.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by agumonkey »

sdenton4 wrote: post #479
liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconformity. Tolerance is a peace treaty: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...

I have a feeling this is spreading a lot. People are becoming puritans.. too much negativity in the world makes one become too tense on what he considers the best solutions maybe.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by shuntress »

Zuider wrote: post #885
jandrese wrote: post #867

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Have you ever considered the notion that maybe your views are unpopular? Possibly even misinformed? Maybe if everyone disagrees with something you say, it's not the rest of the world's fault? Are you Principal Skinner going "Am I so out of touch? No, it is the children who are wrong."

This can go both ways. A majority view may be held complacently without being challenged much or often. A minority view encounters constant resistance and reminders that it is not held by many, and may potentially be more robust because of that. Either way, a belief ought to be based on facts and sound reasoning rather than group pressure, and even the most strongly held position ought to be held provisionally and su…

>a belief ought to be based on facts and sound reasoning

Sounds good but what happens when a loud group bases their beliefs on alternative facts (and select only alternative facts that specifically support their belief)?

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