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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by modmans2nd »

ketamine__ wrote: post #700
jhayward wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they mean the administration that still hasn't provided for adequate PPE, that turned down the offer of another 100 million doses of the 95% efficacy Pfizer vaccine, which is available now, and instead bought 300 million doses of the Astra-Zenica 62% efficacy vaccine, which does not meet the task force's minimum efficacy requirements and will not be available until summer.

Wasn't minimum efficacy 50% or greater?

seriosuly? You're arguing that what they did was OK because it was a little above minimum rather than going after the stuff that will help people in the US? They bought 300 million doses of a vaccine that is more relivant to the developing world.....

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by modmans2nd »

chapium wrote: post #345
radicalbyte wrote: post #27

I'll take it but only later in the year when it is more widely available. People at high risk should go first, then people who are super social (or stupid + spreading the plague). Especially younger people, they need to get pricked. Do you really think they're going to avoid drinking close physical contact in spring? Me neither.

While noble to give to the more acutely affected people first, I think distribution at random makes more sense since that decreases the ability of the virus to grow. I'll let the epidemiologists be my guide however.

That only makes sense if you don't know anything about who is most at risk.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by modmans2nd »

rmk wrote: post #726
radicalbyte wrote: post #27

I'll take it but only later in the year when it is more widely available. People at high risk should go first, then people who are super social (or stupid + spreading the plague). Especially younger people, they need to get pricked. Do you really think they're going to avoid drinking close physical contact in spring? Me neither.

I predict that public employees will wrangle their way to the front of the line, needs be damned. They are very powerful in CA.

I predict cynicism will predict silly things.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by rmk »

modmans2nd wrote: post #893
rmk wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I predict that public employees will wrangle their way to the front of the line, needs be damned. They are very powerful in CA.

I predict cynicism will predict silly things.

Your opinion is not grounded in fact or reality.

Bizarrely, Prison Officers' unions are arguing that prisoners should get ahead of people who haven't committed crime to get the Coronavirus Vaccine. See this: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/2020/12/11/h...

This is just the beginning. There will be plenty of such public employee unions that will be jockeying for access over private citizens. And these unions spend huge amounts of money on their preferred candidates in elections to the State Legislatures, among other governments.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by exclusiv »

Rapzid wrote: post #768
exclusiv wrote: post #703

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You have a good counter. To add to "don't wear masks" though - WHO, CDC, Fauci all had poor and inaccurate guidance as well. It's like none of these experts have sane defaults when they don't know about something. Kind of hard to believe, really. Then when they're wrong - they say "oh yeah we lied, we didn't want a run on masks for health workers". Such BS. They didn't know non-surgical/non-(k)n95 masks could be usef…

The CDC officially recommended the use of face masks in public places on April 3. That was forever ago and only a few weeks into the US crises(couple weeks after first lockdowns started). There absolutely was a PPE shortage at the time, and there absolutely was new information coming in about the efficacy of wearing non N95 masks. That's a lot of attribution to malice or incompetence for such a dynamic situation that…

My point is that if you're an expert that people are supposed to trust - you shouldn't make statements about things you don't know yet.

You seem to be ok glossing over that because you want to talk about the current admin when I'm not even talking about that. I agree with the culpability there.

Fauci - In March he said "there's no reason to be walking around with a mask" [1] The CDC and WHO were doing the same.

Also regarding the lie, "“We were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply,” Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and public face head of the federal government’s coronavirus response, told The Street in an interview this week." [2]

You can go utilitarian if you want and say that's cool. Maybe you are ok with them lying to you because you believe them and think that was their only option. My point stands that there's enough distrust of the government. I don't believe they should do that, connect a lie to experts we are supposed to trust, and I don't believe that was their only option to prevent a shortage.

A lot of incompetence.

#1 not having enough masks in the first place, replenishing our supply

#2 talking about things they don't know and

#3 because they were incorrectly claiming cloth masks weren't useful for the public, they ended up parlaying that into a lie to try and prevent a shortage.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23hvLiA2akE

[2] https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/dr-fauci-admits-feds-initi...

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by dang »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #173
tF73d78kq8t3R6n wrote: post #82

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I’m no anti-vaxxer, but the current situation feels like a scam to me. “Hurry, take this vaccine, save lives!” I’m being asked to suspend critical thinking and accept a chemical into my body under duress and time constraints. “Take it now, this is your time! It’s finally available to you. Don’t you want to resume your normal life?” I’d rather wait and see, even if waiting carries a small, known amount of infection ri…

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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by timka »

ornornor wrote: post #844
timka wrote: post #842

Those who think the economy will recover should at least read this book https://www.amazon.com/Crisis-capital-effectiveness-useless-...

Could you expand some, for the rest of us who didn’t read the book and can’t draw any conclusions based on your statement and the summary on the amazon page?

We're entering another great depression and it's not b/c of the covid crisis which only hastened the process. The depression has deeper roots and should have come anyway but hasn't been recognized by mainstream Western economical science b/c of its decades long monoculture of sorts. Economics only recognizes recessions, the cyclic crises, but has no models or even a suitable language for describing another type of crises. This type of crisis was known in the USSR as the fall of capital effectiveness.

The problem is that the dominant global economical model has the limit which has been reached. The limiting factor is supply chain length which at some point inevitably makes investments too risky. This idea has been briefly presented by the author in [1] among other submissions.

[1] Mikhail Khazin, The Bretton Woods System: Beyond All Repair? Bretton Woods: The next 70 years (p. 181) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320622832_Bretton_W...

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by gorkish »

tprice7 wrote: post #569
gorkish wrote: post #466

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This argument, while technically true, is relatively dismissive of all that we have learned about the virus. Of primary importance, COVID-19 appears to be easily and completely cleared by the human immune system and does not appear to become latent by settling in immune privileged areas or by integrating itself into the human genome or body in any other way (like Epstein-Barr, Herpesvirus, HIV, etc.) Outside of the m…

What do you think about all these people with long covid then? I've seen studies suggesting that it's pretty common, as well as anectodal observations, although I don't have any links handy off the top of my head.

I'm not a doctor but as I said in my earlier comment, I think the literature supports that most of this is just damage from the directly infected cells (lung, organ, nerve) that the body will eventually mostly repair given appropriate nutrition and time. But certainly for some people certainly there may be permanent damage.

A better way to state my point was to say that other diseases can cause exactly the same types of cell damage, and having, say, reduced lung function or some neuropathy going forward after a COVID infection are not themselves new and novel medical problems.

I have had COVID despite my best attempts to do everything possible not to contract it. For complete transparency here, I have a strongly vested interest in knowing the truth of this matter. I agree that there is not a strong consensus yet. Sorry I do not have great references at hand to share right now either.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by gorkish »

theflyinghorse wrote: post #552
gorkish wrote: post #421

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I elected "NO" because I have already have had COVID-19 and verified antibodies, and an mRNA vaccine is unlikely to provide any additional level of protection. I believe this should have been a separate option.

How were you able to verify that you have developed anti-bodies?

Two nasal swabs taken when I had symptoms did not give a positive result (Abbott Labs IDNOW test), so after I recovered I requested an antibody panel and was tested for COV-2 IgG and IgM. Tests were done on Abbott Labs equipment (though the results sheet did not specify the particular assay - there are 2). My results were a high multiple of what would be considered 'positive' for both and were consistent with the timeframe of my illness. More info here: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-disease-2019...

My insurance covered the cost of all my testing as it was done in conjunction with a televisit with my GP. I hear that it is available for approximately $60 if you just pay retail for it. If you give blood at your local blood bank, many are offering the antibody test as an incentive to donate.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by gorkish »

Exmoor wrote: post #551
gorkish wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This argument, while technically true, is relatively dismissive of all that we have learned about the virus. Of primary importance, COVID-19 appears to be easily and completely cleared by the human immune system and does not appear to become latent by settling in immune privileged areas or by integrating itself into the human genome or body in any other way (like Epstein-Barr, Herpesvirus, HIV, etc.) Outside of the m…

You're correct in principle, but when weighing the "unknown long term risks" of a vaccine versus the "unknown long term risks" of COVID itself it really needs to be an apple to apples comparison. We know both the virus and the vaccine will be out of your system within a short period of time. So any long term effects would have to be derived from what happens while they're in your system. The vaccine generates a few p…

I think my original comment was maybe misconstrued. I stated plainly that COVID could cause lasting damage just as any other virus. It just doesn't seem there is much to support that it causes damage above and beyond that of other viruses are capable of and for which long term therapies and treatments exist and are well understood. Certainly there isnt anything that I have seen which substantiates that COVID itself can persist in the body and continue to wreck havoc after the body is able to clear the infection, but no doubt it can do serious and potentially lasting damage.

I absolutely cannot agree more strongly that the long term consequences of any of the COVID vaccines will be far fewer than those of the virus itself.

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