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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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https://www.engadget.com/youtube-election-misinformation-dem... So, i'm kind of curious how it's reasonable a political party can ask for partisan censorship. >YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received a letter on Tuesday from four Democratic senators expressing “deep concern” over the spread of election misinformation on Google’s video platform. In the letter, senators Robert Menendez of New Jersey, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii…

Well, that's an easy question. The answer is No. This isn't government censorship since the government isn't doing it. Same as if a politician asks you not to park on their lawn it's not "Government issues diktat against man for parking car".

Google has accepted over $600 million in government subsidies from Federal and State governments. Thus Google is effectively a public-private partnership and can be regulated no differently than public schools or any other public entity.

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To highlight to you how absolutely insane this move is by google: When the Hunter Biden story broke, it seemed as though every social media company, nearly in tandem, worked to censor it in the name of "stopping the spread of misinformation". Today: it was announced that there is a federal criminal investigation into Hunter Biden's business dealings in China. ( https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/politics/hunter-biden-tax…

> When the Hunter Biden story broke, it seemed as though every social media company, nearly in tandem, worked to censor it in the name of "stopping the spread of misinformation". That (fake) story was the Hunter Biden got Joe Biden to intervene in a Ukrainian commercial deal. This is a completely different story, and no one had censored the lead up to it. Here's a fact check on it from October with plenty of links: h…

>That (fake) story was the Hunter Biden got Joe Biden to intervene in a Ukrainian commercial deal.

No it wasn't. https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/elections/202...

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/joe-biden-must-clear-a...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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For as smart as many of the people on this site are, I'm shocked how many don't understand the fundamental principal that YouTube is a private company and can do whatever they please with speech. This isn't the government, this isn't first amendment.

You'd think we were in China considering how many people here think that our internet overlords know better about what we should and shouldn't see. Censorship in China is mostly through private platforms as well. And regardless of that, mostly people there buy the story that a particular bit of censored information is a threat to the nation and worthy of censorship.

Why is censorship suddenly a required response to every supposed existential threat to our nation now? In fact, this trend of censorship is an existential threat to the nation.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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So who decides what is true/accurate? Is this action just related to the current election or will this extend to other "fake news" and elections in other countries? Covid news comes to mind.

They've already been heavily censoring covid news.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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YouTube's justification here is actually kind of fascinating. They note that since there is no longer a legal path to modifying the results of the election, they're taking the outcome of the US legal structure as a factual indicator of the status of the election results and justifying the takedowns on the basis that they lie about the historical outcome of the election. In essence, they are saying that the federal government is a primary source and they are deferring to the federal government.

I think it's obviously bending the spirit of their policy, but not technically wrong.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

Today I had a frightening interaction on Facebook with a friend of my wife's cousin. He claimed "the new COVID-19 virus had never been tested on humans, only animals" and when I called him on his misinformation and pointed out that the phase 3 trial for the Pfizer vaccine included 43,000 people he shrugged and told me he was entitled to his opinions, and he just had different sources. This is somehow terrifying.

I don’t think it’s terrifying.

Sure it’s dumb and poorly informed. There have always been dumb people spreading bad ideas. It is not our responsibility to force them to agree with us or de-platform them if they won’t agree with a certain narrative. This is called common human decency.

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If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

"I love the poorly educated." - Donald J. Trump[1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpdt7omPoa0

"I didn't say that." - also Donald J. Trump

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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YouTube's justification here is actually kind of fascinating. They note that since there is no longer a legal path to modifying the results of the election, they're taking the outcome of the US legal structure as a factual indicator of the status of the election results and justifying the takedowns on the basis that they lie about the historical outcome of the election. In essence, they are saying that the federal go…

> They note that since there is no longer a legal path to modifying the results of the election

Isn’t there a Supreme Court case that Texas filed and 18 states added on with amici curiae? It won’t be heard, and it wouldn’t be positively ruled, but it “is” a possibly isn’t it?

Also, isn’t it possible if there was fraud that it was discovered later? Shouldn’t that be “allowed”?

(I’m not in any way facetiously asking, I really don’t know)

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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For as smart as many of the people on this site are, I'm shocked how many don't understand the fundamental principal that YouTube is a private company and can do whatever they please with speech. This isn't the government, this isn't first amendment.

You'd think we were in China considering how many people here think that our internet overlords know better about what we should and shouldn't see. Censorship in China is mostly through private platforms as well. And regardless of that, mostly people there buy the story that a particular bit of censored information is a threat to the nation and worthy of censorship. Why is censorship suddenly a required response to e…

He made no claims about any entity knowing better than any other entity.

Also, if you think a “private” company in China is even remotely the same as a private company in America you’re in for a surprise.

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