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Or just switch to Android and you can install the APK, and likely unlock your bootloader and install a custom ROM.

Terrifically unhelpful suggestion for the actual users of hkmap

Android phones can be incredibly cheap (circa $100).

In addition there is nothing stopping them for trading their iPhone for a more expensive Android.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a likely outcome.

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This is why Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android. If I have a good reason, I can toggle a setting and install APKs built by anyone. If I have a good reason, I can wipe my phone and unlock the bootloader to literally replace and de-Google the entire OS. When I buy a phone, it's a hardware product I'm buying. Just like when you buy a PC/laptop, what you run on it is your business, not the manufacturer…

That's funny: "Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android" You don't hear about 14 million iPhones being infected by malware[0], do you? Or malware stealing users' bank credentials[1]? Heck, there are people whose brand new phone comes pre-loaded with malware[2]. Oh, this one was just posted five hours ago -- applications on the Google Play store load with trojans and spyware[3]. I can keep going, but the…

> You don't hear about 14 million iPhones being infected by malware

No, but I have heard of 400 million iPhones being infected by malware via Xcodeghost. This is serious data exfiltrating malware, not simply ad popup malware, and this is on the official app store and legitimately sourced devices unlike the malware in your first three links.

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And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. † Apple should never have been capable of making such a drastic decision for all of their customers. It's one thing to make determinations about what products are allowed in your store, but quite another to unilaterally ban software from what is many people's primary computer. We live in…

>And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. Make the app a Web App and visit it in Safari. Apple has banned it being notarized and distributed from their App Store but iPhones still have access to the conventional web which Apple has no control over.

What's to stop safari from blocking it since every browser on iPhone is basically a safari skin and actual alternative browser engines are banned

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> In principle code signing is a good idea, this way Apple can ensure an improved security standard over their competition. There is nothing wrong with code signing. There is everything wrong with making Apple the sole arbiter of mandatory code signing. It's the difference between being against locks, and being against someone else owning the keys to your house. --- > I won't blame Apple, they aren't people [...] I b…

> Corporations are not robots. Apple is run by people, and specifically people who are much more knowledgable on this subject than the average consumer. They should feel some level of social responsibility. Sometimes I wonder how many instances to the contrary people need to get this falsehood out of their heads. Corporations are only beholden to their shareholders, if any one person at Apple (including the CEO) is n…

This is mostly something people repeat on the internet it is only slightly related to reality

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https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/technology/apple-china-iclo... Not only has Apple given the iCloud keys to the kingdom to China, iCloud is actually run by the state in China

The article is misleading. Apple has not given the iCloud encryption keys to the Chinese government. As far as I'm aware, there is currently no evidence that the Chinese government is any more capable of accessing iCloud data than any other government. From a later article from the same source, Apple states: "Apple has not created nor were we requested to create any backdoors and Apple will continue to retain control…

From the iCloud user agreement in China:

"You understand and agree that Apple and GCBD [emphasis added] will have access to all data that you store on this service."

https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/gcbd...

GCBD, a state-owned company, certainly gives the Chinese government the ability to see all iCloud data. It is technically true that if the Chinese government sends a data request to Apple, Apple can try to push back within the legal system, but why would they send a data request to Apple when they can get unfettered access from GCBD?

As far as who controls the keys for decrypting iCloud data at rest, I cannot believe that Chinese iCloud data would be sent encrypted to Apple's servers outside of China to be encrypted for rest with Apple-controlled keys and sent back to GCBD servers for storage and then sent to Apple's servers outside of China for decryption after verifying it is a user authorized request and back encrypted for the user when the user requests the data (and the same for all operations on the data like indexing). The keys absolutely must exist in China under GCBD's control.

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"This is why Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android." Android wouldn't allow an app to be installed on official phones if Google didn't want so, and unofficial ones are built in China anyway plus often already ridden with spyware. The only workaround would be a 100% FOSS phone where the user is king and decides what would run or not. Pine64.org devs, are you listening?

Android has no way to prevent an APK from being installed. The only thing they can do is add the signature to Play Protect, which will just prompt you that the app may be unsafe, and you can disable it.

Google bans developers from the Play store all the time. As a developer who builds D2C products - Good luck getting your average person installing an APK.

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You’re being downvoted because you’re using Hacker News for your political battle, which is frowned upon: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Oh, and commenting on downvotes is also usually not rewarded either.

OK. That's a good point. Let me think about it.

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If you have citations of GPLv2 or GPLv3 apps that are in the App Store, I would be highly interested. As far as I can discern, Linphone is provided in the App Store under a proprietary license, VLC had to relicense as LGPL, and GNU Go is still not on the App Store.

VLC-iOS is licensed GPLv2. https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc-ios/#license

The App store version is almost certainly using MPLv2, which is a file based copyleft license. Much weaker than GPLv2.

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And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. † Apple should never have been capable of making such a drastic decision for all of their customers. It's one thing to make determinations about what products are allowed in your store, but quite another to unilaterally ban software from what is many people's primary computer. We live in…

The website developers have already added a Javascript plugin that instructs visitors on how to add the app to their homescreen, after they visit the website in Safari, which gives presumably identical behavior to the app store app.

Hopefully this alleviates the immediate negative consequences of the removal.

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Maybe, if it were convenient to switch. But I've given up on believing in boycotts. E.g. People kept buying video games, no matter how shitty the business practice. Preoders, Lootboxes, Season Passes, Pay2Skip... all seemed to have made a ton of cash.

As a technique, the boycott is tried and true, but its efficacy is ultimately dependent on how many people actually care about the issue.

Can you give an example of a boycott effecting a change in company policy?
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