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Time to Take a Stand

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by willstrafach »

smallgovt wrote: post #580

I'm not sure if this will get any response, but figured I'd pose the question since I'm giving it serious thought. Has anyone considered renunciating their US citizenship? Do you have practical advice on how to go about doing so and handle the ramifications? Half my earnings going to government through taxes has been a hard to swallow fact, but funding an administration making decisions like this, just seems like som…

FYI, even if you renounce, you'll need to continue paying the US gov taxes on all worldwide income for awhile (I believe 10 years).

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by Tulip68 »

up_so_floating wrote: post #748
Tulip68 wrote: post #732

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It's very simple: make it socially unacceptable to promote the ethnic cleansing of a religion comprised of nearly a billion people, 99.999% of whom are decent, peaceful people who share the same types of dreams, goals and values as the rest of us. This wouldn't be the first time we've had to confront bigots who want to eliminate entire groups of people because they have a different skin color or pray to a different s…

It is already socially unacceptable to promote ethnic cleansing of any sort. Sure, it's important to continually affirm this, but can you name anyone in the Trump administration who is promoting ethnic cleansing?

Just as every one of Hitler's cabinet-level ministers was deemed at the very least complicit in that regime's crimes against humanity, so it every single one of Trumpf's cronies guilty for being an enabler of these disgusting, hateful, racist and un-American violations of fundamental human rights.

Every last one of them needs to be brought to justice and called to account for their inaction in the face of ethnic cleansing once this illegitimate "president" is finally impeached (and mark my word, that day is coming much sooner than you think). Every. Single. One. Of. Them.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by hindsightbias »

jacquesm wrote: post #38

The time to take stand was 3 months ago. Things will get a lot worse now before they can get better and no amount of blogging is going to change that. Trump is hell bent on destroying America from within and his followers (who we are not supposed to criticize) are A-Ok with that. Soon to be seen in a theater near you in Europe as well.

We were busy having a "no political posts" at HN.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by skyfaller »

tomjen3 wrote: post #866
jacquesm wrote: post #344

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I'm just looking at the evidence of the last two weeks and that's my conclusion. That he thinks he's doing something positive I'll believe but the end result is going to be a very large net-negative, the longer this goes on unchecked the worse it will get. What you think is hyperbole is merely extrapolation from the last two weeks over a period of four years. You'll see a world order remarkably different than the pre…

>It's about May 1914 June 28, 1914 was the day Franz was murdered. Before that day there weren't really any more danger of a war in Europe than there were the year before. It was a wildcard and nobody predicted what would happen it could have happened 10 years before and it could have happened 10 years later. Had there been a couple decent diplomats left in Europe the war could have been avoided. Had the Moltke plan…

Isn't Trump a wildcard? It was pretty hard to predict his electoral victory at any point before he actually won.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by jacquesm »

tomjen3 wrote: post #866
jacquesm wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just looking at the evidence of the last two weeks and that's my conclusion. That he thinks he's doing something positive I'll believe but the end result is going to be a very large net-negative, the longer this goes on unchecked the worse it will get. What you think is hyperbole is merely extrapolation from the last two weeks over a period of four years. You'll see a world order remarkably different than the pre…

>It's about May 1914 June 28, 1914 was the day Franz was murdered. Before that day there weren't really any more danger of a war in Europe than there were the year before. It was a wildcard and nobody predicted what would happen it could have happened 10 years before and it could have happened 10 years later. Had there been a couple decent diplomats left in Europe the war could have been avoided. Had the Moltke plan…

In 1914 the world was a powderkeg and Franz Ferdinand's murder was the spark that lit the fuse.

> Had there been a couple decent diplomats left in Europe the war could have been avoided.

Cf Trumps twitter feed.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by jacquesm »

hindsightbias wrote: post #893
jacquesm wrote: post #38

The time to take stand was 3 months ago. Things will get a lot worse now before they can get better and no amount of blogging is going to change that. Trump is hell bent on destroying America from within and his followers (who we are not supposed to criticize) are A-Ok with that. Soon to be seen in a theater near you in Europe as well.

We were busy having a "no political posts" at HN.

Ostrich behavior at its finest, though I understand what drives it.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by skyfaller »

tlogan wrote: post #283

So Trump is a racist homophobe but he also won the elections: straight and fair. At last 45% of American population is like that - if their "economic anxiety" causes them to ignore rights of LGBT people, immigrants, latinos, blacks, and other minorities, then just imagine what they will do when there is no food on the table. I cannot blame these people: that is how it is. But we need to accept that fact: we live in a…

Did he win straight and fair? According to Trump there was massive voting fraud. If massive fraud against him is possible, as he asserts, then massive fraud in his favor is also possible. Perhaps we should run the election again, just to make sure.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by skyfaller »

ebfd wrote: post #799
nerfhammer wrote: post #789

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Have you ever met a Muslim in real life?

Yes of course, I live in the D.C. area. While most of the Muslims I've met have been perfectly nice folks, I don't consider my personal experiences with individuals to be the best way to evaluate groups.

In other words, the individuals I met are human beings, but in large numbers they are merely a statistic, and I'm OK with Muslims dying because my (questionable) economic analysis says they are a net negative for the bottom line of the United States.

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Post by welder »

anigbrowl wrote: post #29
_m8fo wrote: post #7

Why is that all of these posts saying to "take a stand" fail to explain the political process? I'll just quote myself here. If you want to help stop trump the most effective ways are to: 1. Call - Local congresspeople (http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/) - Senators (https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/) - Local officials (https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials) 2. Participate - Get involved in local electi…

Because people are already deluged with reminders on how to participate in the political process, and also because it's apparent that the political process is in fact badly broken and corrupted, and is not so inherently self-correcting that it inhibits bad actors. Allow me to suggest that you read and internalize this essay, because it is one of the few accurate summaries of out political reality that I've encountere…

Second this, I call my reps offices but get a "this mailbox is full" message.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by anigbrowl »

scrollaway wrote: post #733
anigbrowl wrote: post #444

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Lay off seeking justice for a while Dude, I'm also European and I've spent 25 years listening to and debating with conservative people - in person, on the net, at academic gatherings and many other places. I have studied a wide variety of conservative philosophies and social groups. At what point are you OK with me drawing some conclusions, even temporary working conclusions that I might have to alter later? When I h…

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're saying here. Is this a reply to me or to the parent comment? Where do you see me make assumptions about how strong anyone's opinions are?

This idea that you're too busy blaming people for being racist to spend time listening to them is honestly frightening.

When I call people out for being racist I assure it is not for want of having listened to them first. I'm absolutely in favor of listening to people, but there are also times when you need to firmly declare your opposition to their ideas and your intent to obstruct them.

Not all ideologies are morally equivalent, and I am opposed to any ideology that seeks to limit or reduce the rights of individual people in order to promote compliance with some abstract moral standard as opposed to some utilitarian one where you can demonstrate a harm exceeding a putative benefit.

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