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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by bayindirh »

oceansky wrote: post #879
bayindirh wrote: post #117

I know, this is a bit of a meaningless comment, but it's funny in a way. Feels like late 90s again: - Xiaomi: We have matched Apple in CPU performance. - Apple: *Meep Meep...*

I know Xiaomi is very far from small, but Apple is the multi-trillion dollar company, not the underdog in the race.

It's not about the sides, it's about the progress. If the names were reversed or were different, I'd be submitting the same comment, again.

I believe I said the same thing down below somewhere, but it's too buried to find now.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by 72deluxe »

w0m wrote: post #556
acroback wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My 16" M1 Pro MacBook with 32 Gigs of RAM is still going strong. Not going to upgrade till this thing dies. I can ride this puppy for the next 10 years. Say what you will about Apple but their hardware is top notch and it is a great value if you can snag some OG hardware in M series.

I ran my ~2011 i7 MBA for 12 years as primary laptop before the battery finally killed it (had to run linux on it due to apple killing support the last few years). Great hardware. I don't miss OSX though.

Same here. I use a MacBook M3 for work and it's nice (still on Sequoia though - new macOS looks horrible) but I also have my own 2012 MBP still working and running (recently taken out of the cupboard due to my Lenovo dying) with Linux on it; replaced the battery, put in more RAM, and put in a different SSD and it's still fine. Well made hardware.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by self »

HaloZero wrote: post #604
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

I'm really curious about this deterioration? I use a M1 Macbook Pro with 16GB RAM as my primary machine and it still runs fine. I do iOS development so it's not exactly fast but I wouldn't call it slow by any word. My Poor M1 Mini though is struggling though but that's b/c I'm running it as home server and 8 GB RAM is not enough anymore.

I had to upgrade from an M1 Pro with 16 GB to an M4 Pro with 24 GB last year because one of my work projects at the time needed multiple docker instances, and 16 GB wasn't enough. This year 24 GB isn't enough for a few AI models, but there's no budget for an upgrade...

My home "servers" don't do much but 8 GB or 16 GB of RAM is enough them, for now (Linux).

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by ahoka »

teiferer wrote: post #791
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

It's the property of the display refresh rate.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by testfrequency »

dazzatron wrote: post #821
ruguo wrote: post #819

My M2 still does everything I need, but the M6 is seriously tempting.

Yeah. I keep looking at these updates but then my M2 feels blazing fast and I tell myself I'll wait for the next update.

+1. I have a maxed out M2 Ultra Mac Studio that has aged incredibly well. I’ve yet to be tempted by any recent benchmarks, and I keep feeling like they’ve yet to produce their groundbreaking leap silicon since.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by dainank »

xiphias2 wrote: post #97

Apple still has the best hardware so I moved to it for the last few years, but the closed software ecosystem is terrible for taking advantage of it. I wasn't able to debug network errors (restartin my Mac worked), Metal was missing low level disassembly / debugging tools (there is some hard to use UI), but the worst thing was the inflexible windowing system. Even getting all the window handles on all screens/desktops…

I think the worst is the lack of support for 'click-through' behavior on MacOS. This is that you have to select a window first with left-click before being able to select UI elements within that window with left-click. The amount of time lost with extra clicks is incredible.

It is even more frustrating that this behavior is somewhat inconsistent, with some applications allowing this and others not (although it is more often the latter).

I made a workaround solution here with minimal setup/overhead: https://github.com/dainank/apple-click-through but I do wish someday this could be configurable in the OS as a setting.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by TrainedMonkey »

teiferer wrote: post #791
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

> But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish.

As the old saying goes what Intel giveth the Microsoft taketh away.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by esseph »

Folcon wrote: post #860
teiferer wrote: post #791

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a little sluggish > surprised by how quick it felt Aren't these properties of the (G)UI rather than of the processor? I've been using systems 20 years ago that were super snappy. The same software would still be snappy today obviously. But the software has become bloated to the point that you need to run the latest generation of CPUs such that things are not sluggish. In principle you don't need 32-core GHz CPUs to…

I keep thinking this and maybe I'm missing something, but I'd love to be able to opt for something in this direction, some old school constraints, I feel like we should be able to do something pretty magical these days For example, is there a version of linux that I'm missing? I've not run a desktop linux box in over a decade, any suggestions would be great, or is everyone happily running ubuntu / fedora?

Fedora is very good these days.
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