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> economically irrelevant in less than 10 years The UK has the 6th highest GDP in the world. Pretty high bar if that make you economically irrelevant.

That's mostly because of London's financial center, where a lot of foreign money is laundered; the city's GDP is comparable in size with small EU countries like Belgium or Ireland. If you take London out of the equation, what's left has an average GDP of only 30k per capita [0]. A quick comparison with [1] (using 1 GBP ~ 1.30 USD) shows that London would rank #8 in Europe (between Denmark and Norway), while the rest…

Sure, if you exclude the wealthiest parts of the country then it does look significantly poorer. Just as if you exclude California then the GDP of the US drops significantly. The point was whether the UK is economically relevant, not whether the economy is ethically sound (which is quite a nebulous question I'm sure you'll agree).

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Trump's private army taking guard outside the white house with the new military-grade defensive ballroom might change matters. Who exactly is going to force him to leave?

What are you talking about? I sure hope I'll see you back here on 1/20/29 saying over and over again how wrong you were and how stupid this comment was but I'm sure you'll have some excuse, or pretend you never said it.

It's just a possibility given the co-opting of ICE agents into performing like Trump's private army. I'd much rather never see that happen and have to live with making a dumb comment.

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He already tried to overturn one election. What makes you think that he wouldn't try again?

There are quite explicit constitutional limits to his ability to be elected to a third term. Short of a mitary-style takeover, there is nothing he can do to change that (discounting the scenario of constitutional amendment).

Who would be enforcing those constitutional limits? I didn't think that a convicted felon could run for president, but here we are.

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United States remains the only place with real freedom of speech. Other places have 'hate speech' laws that severely erode it. Genuine criticism or discussion of certain topics is forbidden.

Absolutely true. The entirety of Western Europe including UK actively dissuade people from holding a certain set of opinions. Even the media simply doesn’t report on inconvenient events.

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Ireland doesn't have a military.

They have ~8k troops.

Exactly. 0.23% of GDP. It exists only to be able to say that it exists. But it's not in NATO. The Irish will protect themselves if things go bad.

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They're not though. They're lofting sanctions on Russia just to help try to survive this war.

It's not the first time I see comments similar to this and I honestly can't even begin to grasp how anyone can think that the US is in any way shape or form at risk from Iran .

I'm sure people said the same about the USSR invading Afghanistan.

The US right now cannot keep its bridges from collapsing. It cannot keep its children safe from men with guns. It cannot keep its citizens fed or housed. It is failing to provide adequate healthcare for a majority of its population, it cannot even keep its children vaccinated against measles. Our science agencies are being run by crackpots. Our mass media is being combined under one single owner.

This doesn't even consider the impending existential challenges of climate change.

And this nation, instead of fixing its crumbling domestic infrastructure - educational systems, health care systems, or anything that would benefit the citizens of the US - has chosen to launch an attack against a foreign nation that has already cost 10s of billions of dollars and will likely cost vastly more.

All the political and economic capitol that is required to maintain and improve stable conditions is instead being poured into murder in a desert thousands of miles from home.

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He already tried to overturn one election. What makes you think that he wouldn't try again?

There are quite explicit constitutional limits to his ability to be elected to a third term. Short of a mitary-style takeover, there is nothing he can do to change that (discounting the scenario of constitutional amendment).

The same limits he ignored in 2021?

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Why should it be done that way? If a country has media or broadcast standards laws, and you distribute or broadcast content in that country that violates those laws, that’s on you. The country can just fine you if you chose not to comply. Just the same as they would if you were doing it while living in that country. You’re not obliged to care about the fine if you don’t live there and never intend to travel there. Bu…

This is nonsense. The hardware that propagates the data transmission is owned partly by the UK and partly by Canada. The Canadian website operator has turned off the transmission to the UK on their side and has fulfilled their obligations. The UK is complaining that they didn't turn off transmission on their side. What you're saying is that the website operator should travel to the UK to enforce UK law from Canada. I…

> Website operator: I do not care about serving UK citizens and am now blocking UK IP addresses. Thank you for notifying us.

Wait did 4chan actually block UK addresses? My understanding was it hadn’t which makes your story fall apart.

The idea that a router is responsible for the packets it forwards rather than the person that made the content and put that content in those packets is getting silly.

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You're serving US customers. You are doing business in the US, and therefore you are subject to US law. What about when a customer requests a refund, do you just pretend US consumer protection laws don't apply to that customer? Or to turn your logic around, can American corporations do business in Europe while just completely ignoring the GDPR and all other European laws? Laws are not a buffet. You choose to do busin…

> You're serving US customers. You are doing business in the US, and therefore you are subject to US law I don't think this is how the law works. Think of it this way: any customer from Libya makes it customary for my female co-workers to wear hijab at the workplace. Thus a customer who voluntarily purchases services from a company in a different jurisdiction does NOT automatically makes this company subject to his j…

It certainly does automatically make you subject to that jurisdiction if you want to continue to do business there smoothly. Consider compliance with European laws by American tech companies. Sure, Apple loves counter-suing the EC over the DMA, but that's very much participating in the legal system and thus being "subject". And when they lose all their appeals, they pay the fine, because otherwise they would be forced out of Europe.

Libya doesn't actually have a law requiring foreign companies to wear hijabs, but if they did, they could try to enforce it. The smart thing to do would be to stop doing business there. If you don't, they would probably force Libyan internet providers to block you, and maybe file charges against you and possibly your customers there. If you live in Europe, you could probably ignore the charges, but most people don't want that hanging over their heads, especially when your Libyan business has been shut down anyway.

Consider when Russia tried to impose a fine on Google that was worth more than the total amount of money that has ever existed globally. Google just stopped doing business in Russia, because obviously that was their only choice.

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