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I'll spell out the argument: Wikipedia is fine for uncontroversial facts. The obscure ones can have individual mistakes but it's generally correct. For controversial topics, it's an eternal battle between factions of "volunteers" trying to present their view of a conflict. The articles reflect which side has the best organized influencer operations. Factual truth may or may not shine through, but as a side effect, no…

>Grokipedia operates by Grok writing what it considers the true and interesting facts. That doesn't mean it's always right, but it's a model far less influenced by influencer operations. If Grok is trained on a corpus of information written by humans trying to influence other humans, and it has no ability to perform its own original investigation in the real world, then how can it be anything but the product of influ…

This seems based on the myth that Grok is trained solely on X/Twitter posts and Mein Kampf.

In reality, Grok is trained on pretty much the same giant web crawl/text corpus as other contemporary AIs.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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>Grokipedia operates by Grok writing what it considers the true and interesting facts. That doesn't mean it's always right, but it's a model far less influenced by influencer operations. If Grok is trained on a corpus of information written by humans trying to influence other humans, and it has no ability to perform its own original investigation in the real world, then how can it be anything but the product of influ…

This seems based on the myth that Grok is trained solely on X/Twitter posts and Mein Kampf. In reality, Grok is trained on pretty much the same giant web crawl/text corpus as other contemporary AIs.

Sure, it's just weighted more toward X-corpus and Mein Kampf.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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IMO, this is a good question and deserves a solid answer, so I’ll do my best. Setting aside the “fixer” for the time being, I really enjoyed the work I did at Tesla. Tesla was the first company that gave me very high levels of autonomy to just own projects and deliver. It also pushed me to take on projects that I had previously wanted to do that I hadn’t been given a chance to work on before. (Side note: At that poin…

Hey, thanks, that was quite interesting! I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on how the "fixer", who sounds rather ineffective as an executive, came into this position, in what sounds like overall a rather effective organization. I've been personally thinking quite a bit about what makes organizations work or not work recently, and your story is quite interesting to me as a glimpse into a kind of organization that I…

This is a good question, and it felt like nepotism. I do want to point out that this is all somewhat hazy memories from years ago when all of this happened, so take everything with a grain of salt (as usual). Also, a lot of this is going to sound like nepotism, which is most likely was, but this is hearsay from other people.

My understanding of how the "fixer" came into there position is a somewhat circuitous route. From my understanding (I didn't hear any of this directly from the "fixer" themselves, but other people who spent far more time with the "fixer" than myself), the "fixer" had spent about a decade out of the workforce prior to joining Tesla. My understanding is that they were raising kids while also dealing with aging parents. We'll just call this time the "fixer"'s work hiatus.

Prior to the hiatus, the "fixer" had moved into a small-team managerial role at a large, name-brand tech company during the late 90s/early 2000s. At the end of the hiatus, they leveraged some connections and somehow attained a director position at Tesla managing a team of about 30-40 people straight out of the hiatus.

From my understanding, the first team the "fixer" managed at Tesla didn't like working for them and after about 18 months, the team basically forced the "fixer" out. I'm not exactly sure what the team was doing to push the person out, but from what I heard, work basically ground to a halt for the entire team where they refused to work for the "fixer".

This was around the same time that the two projects went sideways that I mentioned, so the director I reported to was on the outs and the director's manager (a VP) was looking for someone who could step into the role. The VP somehow connected with the "fixer" and they worked out a deal where the "fixer" would lead the team on a 3-month probation period while the VP continued to look for someone to come into the position, while also giving the "fixer" a chance to earn the role.

(Side note: One other bit of context I want to provide is that the team I was on was about 50-60 or so people at this time right before the "fixer" came on. The "fixer" also did not have any sort of technical background and this team consisted of probably ~90% software professionals in some capacity. A lot of the conversations were very technical in nature, and the "fixer" did A LOT of delegating and "just tell me what decision you'd make and we'll do that" leadership.)

During this probation period, I thought the "fixer" actually did a good job getting a lay of the land, the social dynamics at play, and helped work out some inefficiencies. However, a lot of this improvement was done by bringing in consultants to do the deep dive, discover problems, and provide guidance to the "fixer" on how to address the problems.

Once the probation period was over, the consultants left and the "fixer" was in charge. Pretty quickly, the firings began and over the course of the next 5-6 months, more than 70% of the team under the "fixer" was replaced. At the same time, the team I was working for merged with another team, and the team size under the "fixer" shot up to about 100-120 people post-merge (I forget the exact number). The "fixer" also hired quite a few more people thinking more people get the same projects done faster.

To say the least, it was a pretty chaotic time because the entire team was under a lot of pressure with in-flight projects, not knowing if they were going to randomly be fired or not, new people to mentor/gel with, and lots of random projects being thrown at us.

About 6 months after I left, the "fixer" was fired and someone else who had extensive experience was brought in to right the ship. Per my understanding with people who were still working there about a year after the "fixer" left, the new person was very successful and had done a good job leading the team. Also, the person who I found to be my replacement stayed nearly 7 years at Tesla, so I guess I did a good job with that one.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Bettering humanity is a pretty good two word summary of what should be the meaning of life and everyone’s goal. Please don’t disengage.

>Please don’t disengage. No worries. I was more referring to this community rather than this society. There are plenty of other "bars" on the internet to choose from.

You entirely missed the point. Please don’t disengage from those bars you perceive to be tainted in some way.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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We had cabinet members for this administration call Trump a nazi months prior to the nomination. People give up all kinds of morals for financial gain. That was always true, but it's become outright blatant this past decade.

Perhaps they discovered that they had been misled about him.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying he’s not flawed. Just that people learn things and change their minds.

But you’re also right about people giving up morals for financial gain. Just an odd example to use.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Any use case that you couldn't post about on your company Slack.

So we're talking about NSFW content? "NSFW stands for "Not Safe For Work" (or "Not Suitable For Work"), an internet abbreviation used as a warning label for explicit, graphic, or suggestive content. It indicates that material—typically involving nudity, pornography, or violence—is inappropriate for viewing in professional or public environments" Again, I'm still scratching my head about why I would be posting NSFW co…

If you can't comprehend why people want to do things that aren't appropriate for a workplace in their personal time I don't know what to tell you

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Imagine how freeing it will be when people stop caring about this stuff because anyone can see anyone else naked in about 5 seconds. We're basically already at realistic hardcore porn videos of anyone fucking anyone else in a few minutes. No point in worrying about it, and it even serves as a shield for real leaked revenge porn - just claim it's AI.

This take is so bleak man. It's creepy and uncomfortable when someone says out loud that they're imagining you doing sex acts! Even if everyone knows that you're not actually doing sex acts and it's just some guy imagining it! Now everyone has to see what these creeps are imagining, but it's fine because it's AI? Like actually are you out of your mind?

My point is that it holds no meaning, seeing an naked picture of someone now no longer implies that they allowed themselves to be photographed naked. So who cares? Sharing it is creepy sure, like sending an email or a crayon drawing about having sex with someone is creepy if they're not interested. But the existence of the thing matters as much as someone's imagination does now, when before that the existence of a nude was an issue in and of itself.

Same thing will be used to argue against photographic evidence for crimes ofc.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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If I was a SpaceX investor I'd be considering litigation. Saying the core product has to be rebuilt right after it gets bought by SpaceX?! Maybe the SpaceX investors would have liked some diligence about that before purchase but looks like someone had a conflict of interest about that.

Space-X and x/AI are both privately held. But this may mess up the proposed IPO.[1] By completing the SpaceX–xAI deal while both companies remain privately held, and now closed, Musk can effectively set relative valuations, negotiate terms within a founder‑controlled ecosystem, close, and then inform investors, without the procedural drag and disclosure obligations that attend a public‑company merger. That flexibilit…

Somehow he's flipping $1T SpaceX + $250B xAI (which is now apparently a pile of trash, according to Elon) into a $1.75T IPO because all of the insider investors think they can get away with it, and they are probably right
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