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Post by permo-w »

swiftcoder wrote: post #568
permo-w wrote: post #543

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Pardon?

It's a response to the "puny" part of your statement. Anzac special forces are renown for their brutal effectiveness (and frequent disregard for the rules of war[1]) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brereton_Report

I was sarcastically pointing out the embedded assumption in the humour of the comment I was replying to. If you really must make this case, because it sounds like you've been waiting for the chance, go and make it to GP who was using spies from Canada and New Zealand as figures of absurdity. Perhaps also explain to him why "spies" got switched for "forces" and then "special forces" appropo of nothing

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by atoav »

grey-area wrote: post #531

This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US. If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon? This marks an important turning point for the US.

Well as I said in 2026 before Trump got elected the firdt time: Trump will ultimately lead to fascism.

And fascism famously tries to align its industries with the state.

Now I made that judgement in my 2016 based on what I have read about the man and his character. I grew up in an Austrian province that was during my youth lead by back then one of the first European new-right politicians (Jörg Haider). So let's say I knew the type and the dynamics that would emerge around figures like this including the rich people who think they can control him and so on.

Trump is a textbook narcissist and as such of course he is going to treat the companies like a narcissist treats any person. The competition you will get is one of who can act the most submissive, who can bribe him the best.

Needless to say this is a style of governance that is economically unsustainable. But anybody with a decent idea of world history could have seen this from miles away.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by snickerbockers »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #478
snickerbockers wrote: post #421

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It doesn't harm national security, but only so long as it's not in the supply-chain. They can't have Lockheed putting Anthropic's products into a fighter jet when Anthropic has already said their products will be able to refuse to carry out certain orders by their own autonomous judgement.

That's not what anthropic said. They said their products won't fire autonomously, not that they will refuse when given order from a human.

"Hey Claude I need you to use this predator drone to go blow up everybody who looks like a terrorist in the name of Democracy."

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Post by goku12 »

MzxgckZtNqX5i wrote: post #606
goku12 wrote: post #564

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I don't see a good reason to downvote you, though that's a pattern here these days. But I do have a question about your statement. This move certainly has the hallmarks of fascism. But how is it corporatism when it's the elected government that's trying to punish a corporation? Granted that this regime is deep in the pockets of the corporations and billionaires. But it looks like they would have spared Anthropic if t…

I'm not sure I fully understood your point, but about the question "how fascism if elected?": the Nazi Party won (i.e., it was the most voted party) in multiple elections in the late 20s/early 30s.

I apologize if I wasn't clear enough. I wasn't asking how it can be fascism if the government is elected. I'm aware of the answer to that.

I was asking how an (elected fascist) government can be corporatist, if they are fighting a corporation. Doesn't a corporatist government fight for the corporations? From the answers I see, this government is partially corporatist. They'll fight smaller corporations if the latter don't fall in line.

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Post by croon »

rayiner wrote: post #738
gruez wrote: post #729

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>That’s not their call to make. Inventors of technologies that could be used for war have never had the right to deny access to those technologies to the elected civilian government.[1] >[1] The government can make you go over to southeast Asia and kill people personally. Is this a normative statement? In other words are you simply claiming "the government has men with guns and therefore can force people/companies do…

It’s a descriptive statement about the law. But you’re mischaracterizing the normative principle underlying the law. It’s not based on power, but rather the moral duties incumbent on citizens.

Not one person in the current administration or its party (or yourself) would agree with you a few years ago in regards to the administration having communications with Twitter/Meta over a laptop story, regardless if any strongarming even took place at all.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by ericmay »

queenkjuul wrote: post #876
ericmay wrote: post #780

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I think most, perhaps all of those "important turning points" aren't really important turning points but just business as usual.

I get where you're coming from. Every US administration has been corrupt, flaunted the constitution, started illegal wars (at least in the last 100 years or so) It does kind of drive me nuts that people don't remember Bush very well, and give Obama and Biden passes on their own crimes. That said, i do honestly believe that Trump has taken the level of corruption and abject cruelty to a new level. But this was inevita…

I don't disagree with you, in general. My point here only was that I don't think the specific language used is correct. For me a turning point would be like, the Japanese declaring war on the United States and attacking Pearl Harbor, or Napoleon being defeated by the Duke, or the French Revolution, or something more along those lines. Bombing Iran (we've done stuff like that before), arresting Maduro - Noriega (sp?), federal vs state standoffs - yep done that before. Largely this is the routine mess of democracy, and it's heightened and more exposed because it's the United States of America and also because our republic has 340 million people from all over the world - there's going to be some differences of opinion.

Of course "this time" can be different for these things but I'm not sure I've seen anything I'd construe as a turning point or significant change or anything quite like that.

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Post by drdeca »

jph00 wrote: post #208
jefftk wrote: post #185

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Symmetry is not guaranteed. If someone creates a deadly pathogen with a long pre-symptomatic period (which we know is possible, since HIV works this way) it could infect essentially everyone before discovery. Yes, powerful AI would likely rapidly speed up the process of responding to the threat after detection, especially in designing countermeasures, but if we don't learn about the threat in time we lose. There are…

In the alternative, asymmetry is guaranteed. When you only allow gov and big tech access to powerful AI, you create a much more dangerous and unstable world.

Ideally, sufficiently powerful AI would not be created unless the necessary safety mechanisms are established.

But also, that’s a different kind of asymmetry?

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by dang »

wosined wrote: post #813
dang wrote: post #99

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Personal attacks aren't allowed here. Perhaps you don't owe AI tycoons whose names start with A better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It was a joke Paul.

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